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Nautiduck
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Initially Posted - 07/27/2007 : 17:59:27

I kept my Forespar HD 6-12 whisker pole when we sold the C22. Now I see that the WM catalog recommends the 7-14 size for a 25' sailboat with genoa (6-12 with jib). Anyone using a 6-12 and the 135 genny and liking it or do I need to sell it and go bigger? My 6-12 is 1-7/8" size while the 7-14 is 2" so the 7-14 is probably a bit sturdier. Not interested in home-made solutions. I am a believer in purpose-built whisker and spinnaker poles.

We cannot direct the winds but we can adjust our sails.

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 07/27/2007 : 21:43:42

Whisper came w/ a wisper pole, but there is no place to store it, as it's pretty long - what do others do for storage?
Thanks!

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AADIVER
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Response Posted - 07/29/2007 : 19:39:10

Storage on a 250? Precious little. So little, in fact, that after three days of cruising with wife and daughter this weekend we're highly motivated to move up to a 30 with an inboard Yanmar. It was suggested we find an early '80's 30, replace the Universal with a Yanmar, and enjoy more storage space and full headroom, and, etc., etc. What say y'all 250'ers?

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frogger
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Response Posted - 07/29/2007 : 20:16:17

Whatever suits you.

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 07/29/2007 : 22:44:16

Jerlim, the best place to store the pole would be on the stanchions up front so they are out of the way. There are rail-mount holders for poles. They can also be stored upright on the front of the mast. I wouldn't try to store one inside.

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 07/30/2007 : 07:05:11

Randy, I've seen several options for storing the whisker pole (our is stored in the garage right now

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I took an idea from Tom Potter and put a couple of carabiners on the lifeline and hook each end of the pole into them.

I use one of the carabiners to hold the furler drum during mast raising/lowering (Tom's Idea which works great!)

Paul.

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 07/30/2007 : 07:21:46

We use one carabiner on the lifeline and attach the other end of the pole on the forestay. When we are away from the boat, the pole goes down below, with one end forward in the v-berth and the other attached to one of the internal support rods.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 07/30/2007 : 09:41:23

I wish I would have had one yesterday morning. I got home and found one on E-bay but the current bid was over $200. Why are they so expensive? They seem to be pretty simple technology. Can I find a bargain one somewhere?

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Response Posted - 07/30/2007 : 14:07:41

I currently keep my whisker pole below on the starboard side of the aft berth with one of its ends peaking out by the hatchboard holder but the carabiner idea sounds GREAT!
I don't remember what I paid for it but it was considerably less then 200.00. DEFENDER has one for $114.00 that should work fine...extends to 12' if you have the standard jib. Mine has the clamping fittings on both ends which made it difficult to attach to the sail without a loop of rope. ( the clamp was not large enough to fit into the grommet. Many of them have a "spikey end" that just fits through the grommet instead but I like having the clamp. REALLY helps with the wing on wing.
As far as the Catalina 30 goes, I sailed one from the Connecticut River to Block Island about a month ago and I was very impressed with the amount of space below. My friend bought it for under 20K and while it needs some small work...a new dodger and some clean-up it was a terrific boat. No wonder they are among the most popular production boats ever made.
Willy

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 07/30/2007 : 14:18:27

Thanks for the carabiner idea!

Now, as for size. What size poles do you use with your 135 genny? Is the 6-12 enough or do I need to go to the 7-14 size??

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kevinmac
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Response Posted - 07/30/2007 : 17:06:05

I have a 7-17 or 7-14 or whatever forespars size it. It was recommended to me for strength, not necessarily length. I have no idea if I actually need it or not, I have often wondered if a 6-12 would work OK.

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John Russell
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Response Posted - 07/30/2007 : 18:08:05

Randy, I think you need a 7 -14 then you can make me a great deal on a 6 -12

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frogger
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Response Posted - 07/30/2007 : 18:46:41

I store my Forespar HD 7-14 whisker pole on brackets on the stanchions on starboard so they are out of the way - out of the way but always available.

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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 07/30/2007 : 21:06:27

This is where I stored my pole.
I had a 155 foresail.

paulj

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 07/30/2007 : 21:43:29

The outboard end of the whisker pole is not supposed to be hooked through the clew, but rather the sheet should go through the pole hook. That way if the you jybe, then the pole won't hit the forestay.

I'm setting mine up so that there is a topping lift and a downhaul that also keeps the pole set abeam as required.

paul

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dubedoo
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Response Posted - 07/31/2007 : 09:37:52

Hi Randy,

I don't have a 135, just the 110 and I use the 6-12 pole...... but the way my feeble mind works is that the 6-12 is sure strong enough for a 135 and with a J length of 9 feet times 135% equalling 12.15 feet........can't see why someone would really need more than 12 feet with the 135. Personally, I wouldn't want the weight of the bigger pole either, if I could avoid it. (at least I got it back on subject and maybe will provoke some discussion

Steve
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welshoff
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Response Posted - 07/31/2007 : 15:00:08

Randy,
I use a 6-12 whisker pole with no problems. I have a Forspar lexan mast pad eye installed (wm part #111567). I figure the lexan will break before the pole? Anyway no problems to date. To store it, I just put it behind the rigging rod suports on the starboard side of the boat. It just kind of "wedges" in between the hull and the rigging rod. I put my boat hook there as well.

Here is a picture in light air - pole will come up horizontal when the wind is a little stronger. (note: I originally used this pole on my C27 and it worked on that boat with a 150% head sail).

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Nautiduck
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Response Posted - 07/31/2007 : 18:04:18

Thanks Wil. I will kep the pole. Sorry John.

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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 08/02/2007 : 00:08:21

6-12 twist lock on a 155 foresail.
paulj

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britinusa
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Response Posted - 08/02/2007 : 07:53:13

Paulj, were you leaning for effect

The traveller on the port side appears empty, is that the sheet running down by the toerail on the port side?

Sure looks like a great sailing location, where is it?

Paul

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johnsonp
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Response Posted - 08/02/2007 : 11:39:02

I took this rigging idea years ago from Arlyn's ramblings and modified it.

paulj

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jerlim
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Response Posted - 08/07/2007 : 12:46:57

Does'nt the pole and biners foul the genny? I'm going to investigate the mast storage.
Thanks everyone!
jl

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