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Kip C
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Initially Posted - 03/27/2007 : 13:31:02

Hi Everyone,
I'm upgrading my outhaul to the 8-1 internal and adding the boomkicker from catalina Direct. I was wondering where others have cut their exit hole on the boom for the outhaul and how far forward of the vang is the kicker bracket mounted.

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Kip Casada

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wmeinert@kconline.com
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Response Posted - 03/27/2007 : 15:55:31

I'm surprised they didn't give you directions with the kits you ordered, as far as the boom kicker you will have to rig the boom with sails on for the weight and see where you will get a balanced rig. you can use c-clamps or squeese clamps to hold the kicker on the boom once you have mounted it to the base of the mast. Remember, you have to apply "bowing pressure" to the kicker for upward pressure to see what tention and what position will work best to hold the boom level with the sail weight on. You may infact find that you will have to remount your boom vang to a new location. Murphies law says it will be right where your new kicker will want to be. As far as your internal out hual, WHY? but anyhow catalina direct will have the proper directions for you if you bought it through them.

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Kip C
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Response Posted - 03/27/2007 : 16:21:11

I do have directions, but like you said "with sails up", problem is my mast isn't up and the boat is not near by. I have some time today and was hoping to get the boom work finished. I was hoping someone with a standard rig and had installed the boomkicker might respond.

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Response Posted - 03/27/2007 : 21:32:14

Kip, I sent my 8:1 back, our sails just don't need that much purchase, I am not sure why the product exists. 3:1 is plenty.
I have just spent my first year with the boomkicker and have taken it off and put a topping lift back on. The kicker is dangerous, if you lean on the boom it will collapse and you will fall. The only way to prevent that is to have a good topping lift to stop the boom from collapsing and if you have a topping lift then the boomkicker is pointless. It will often fall out when you are reefing and that is not when you want to deal with a boomkicker flopping around the cabin top. The only way to stop it from falling out is if you lock the vang at the kickers max extension like in my photo. It also renders the pop-top too much trouble to mess with. At least a boom vang can be disconnected from inside as you raise the top, but the kicker must be removed from outside the cabin and the boom vang needs to come off... too much trouble. In other words I am not a fan of either project.

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Kip C
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Response Posted - 03/28/2007 : 05:26:01

Thanks for responding Frank. I was concerned when I read in the kicker's instructions, that 21lbs was the max on the outer end of the boom when the sail was down, and thinking that didn't leave much room to use the boom as a hand hold. In 4 years on Brookville Lake, I've reefed, maybe, 3 times. But I think, I'll put a bolt with a locking washer and wing nut in the slot on the upper bracket, to try to keep the kicker from sliding out easily. Can you still use the pig tail on the backstay with the kicker on, or would it come out of the slot? I've never disconnected my vang when using the poptop. I just give it enough slack for the poptop to reach the mast.

My reasoning for the projects was to make it easy for my wife and kids to help adjust the sails and to keep from adding the topping lift to the lines on deck.

Edited by - Kip C on 03/28/2007 05:30:59

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Response Posted - 03/28/2007 : 14:12:36

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Kip C
 Can you still use the pig tail on the backstay with the kicker on, or would it come out of the slot?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

If you can, figure out a way to take the pigtail, or as I call it, the $#@!&* pigtail, out of the equation.

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crcalhoon
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Response Posted - 03/28/2007 : 17:14:16

Boy, am I old fashioned. My topping lift is adjustable in the cockpit or at the mast. Usually use the mast position for reefing, since I reef at the mast, although I am re-considering as I get older. Pigtail is taped to the backstay. It is as they say, "a damned unseamanlike contraption."

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