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bear
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Initially Posted - 02/08/2007 : 10:25:44

Good Morning All, I am considering buying a TP10 or TP22 tiller pilot for my C 250. I have read all the posts I could locate. I have three basic questions. 1. What other attachments and/or mounting hardware was needed for mounting? 3. Where did the electrical wiring get routed to go to the battery. 4. I have the Honda 8, has anybody with that outboard had any difficulty with the tiller body getting in the way of engine controls or pull starting cord? "Thanx" once again in advance. Also has any one had expierience with the TP22 on a C250 ?

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 02/09/2007 : 07:07:21

Wayne,

I cannot speak for the C250 as I am a C25 owner. I do have a TP10 however and can speak for it's reliability and ease of use. For the price it is a very good unit and has given me good service the past four years.

As for additional hardware needed, it will depend upon how and where you intend mounting it. There are several size brackets available for under the tiller if you mount on the seat and it isn't high enough. There is also a removable bracket for mounting on the side of the coaming if you don't or can't mount it on the seat or top of the coaming. Talk to the sales people where you buy it. They should be able to help. you an also visit the Simrad web site to get part sizes to help with mounting location options.

Whichever way you mount it, put it on the opposite side from the motor so that operation of the one doesn't interfere with the other.

Good luck

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Response Posted - 02/09/2007 : 18:24:08

Bear,
I don't know if this will help, but here are my notes on installation of a Raymarine ST1000 tiller pilot:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/frayed-knot/projects/tiller_pilot.htm

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Response Posted - 02/09/2007 : 18:53:50

Hi Wayne,
I didn't buy any attachments other that what came with the TP-10. I made up my own mounting brackets by using a rail VHF antenna mount, bimini frame end and a bushing from a local hardware store. Ensure the bimini end fits over the threaded part VHF antenna mount, I don't recall the size I used but it was a perfect fit. I drilled out the hole in the bimini end to accept the bushing for the TP-10 and centered the bushing and cut a piece brass tubing to place on each side of the bushing to keep it centered on the bimini end. Mixed up a little JB Weld to hold the bushings and spacers together.

Of course the picture explains it better

I like it mounted on the outboard side, it keeps the walk through transom clear of hip bruising brackets. Mounting it to the wing seat is just about the exact distance that Simrad recommends. It does not interfere with the outboard, I can reach all the controls fine. On the tiller I drilled a hole on top to take the pin and adjusted the bracket on the wing seat so that everything was level.

As for power, At first I used just a regular 12v plug and receptacle mounted in the coaming pocket, but had problems with the plug vibrating out the receptacle. I'm replacing those with a Marinco Sealink 12V "locking" Receptacle and Plug. The deck receptacle power wire is ran to the main switch panel and wired to one of the spare switches.

[url="http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=4306&BASE"]Sealink 12V Plug and Receptacle[/url]

You can save yourself some $$ by finding these parts on e-bay.

Edited by - Tom Potter on 02/09/2007 18:56:32

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Response Posted - 02/10/2007 : 07:25:50

I am just installing the TP22 on my 250. Having a little difficulty with the rail fitting because it needs to be about 2 inches away. The TP22 is agood deal right now because it comes with HR22 remote included free from online marine. Thanks Tom for the pictures, I will try the bimini end. One difference on mine is when I measure the 18 inches from tiller pivot and square it, the TP22 mount is forward of the seat support rail, don't understand this. Anyway I will report when I get it finished. Bob

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bear
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Response Posted - 02/10/2007 : 09:59:12

Thanx all for the info, I am having basically the same problem as Bob. I do not have the stern seat and thus no support. I knew about the deal with the free remote and was trying to get in early on it.
I am taking measurements outside with a windchill of at least 0, trying to visualize/measure this installation with the tiller being in the cellar also. THANX again to all.

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Response Posted - 02/10/2007 : 16:18:10

Dumb question: why did you guys install it on the starboard side of the boat? Wouldn't it be better to port, so that you would continue to have access to the motor?

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Response Posted - 02/10/2007 : 16:29:37

There is no problems gaining access to the motor. The throttle is the only thing you would want to control when the TP is operating and there's no problem reaching it. If you mount it on the Port side the mounting bracket would be just one more thing sticking out to bruise your leg on when you use the swim ladder.

Edited by - Tom Potter on 02/10/2007 16:35:33

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Response Posted - 02/11/2007 : 11:08:58

Bob,
I ran a tape measure today from the rudder pivot to the pin I installed on the tiller and its 16".

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Response Posted - 02/11/2007 : 11:16:18

Tom, thanks, the instructions say 18" but in trying to visualise the geometry involved, I only see a difference in the amount or movement of the rudder/tiller. Assuming yours works great then 16" looks like a better option. If the boat had a heavy tiller or required more force to move it then further out would help but I don't see that with the 250. Bob

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Response Posted - 02/11/2007 : 12:50:39

I used Tom Potters idea with the VHF mount but I added a block of wood (2x4) mounted on the bracket and stained it with cetol.I then and added an epoxy coating over the cetol to seal it completely. I mounted the brass insert into this epoxying it also. I mounted mine so the block was forward and a little in from the stainless vertical tube. That gave me the 18" that simrad wants for the pivot distance. I wanted the exact distant as simrad most common problem with their pilots is the stripping of gears. The boat turns plenty fast at that distance and there is little strain on the pilot.

I used a thru-wall watertight connector (large & small prong) and ran directly to my panel. It's right next to my solar panel female plug. I originally thought that the plugs could be interchangeable until I added the regulator for my solar panel (power in, no power out!).

The location also allows you to "pop" it off the tiller and swing it over to the cockpit seat, out of the way for when you want to take over sailing. Make sure to hit the standby!

All in all it was one of those things you say you don't need - until you get one. Then, you can't do without it. Gives me a free hand to open the bottle of wine and squeeze the admiral.

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bear
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Response Posted - 02/11/2007 : 14:44:45

Good Info still coming, I need to ask if one of my fellow
sailors has installed a TP10/22 on a sailboat without catbird seats??
My s/n is 89, obviously one of the older C 250's. Still questionable
about where to mount the non-tiller end and what setup used with an older C250?

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Response Posted - 02/12/2007 : 07:20:45

Bear, in your case, I would first suggest the CB-1 Cantilever Bracket available from Online Marine for $64.95. It is pictured in the back of the TP-22 manual. It mounts to a vertical surface and extends outward from 5.3" to 9.4". Sure looks like a solution to me. Bob

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