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StSimon
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Initially Posted - 10/04/2006 : 22:12:04

I have an '84 SR SK with what I imagine is the more common style of pushpit. It is one that has an upper rail that extends all the way around the stern at the same height.

I have seen photos on this site of 25s with a pushpit that drops down over the boom traveller and tiller allowing easier access of the back of the boat. In other words, you would not have to raise your leg as high to step over the back. Can anyone tell me what years this style pushpit was installed? Also, anybody know if this application would fit on an '84 model or if it could be done with some modifications and 'glass work?

Any ideas?

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Fair winds,

Andy, Breakin' Wind, 1984 C25 SK SR

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/05/2006 : 06:44:28

We 89s have the new sternrail that incorporates the traveler and has the cutaway midsection. I will give it a good eye this weekend to see if it is interchangeable. I am not a fan of sternrails, Many boats simply have end rails at the coaming, I like this a lot.

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 10/05/2006 : 07:20:51

My 1988 TR has the stern pulpit you're describing. I'm not sure of the dates, but I suspect the change can be traced back to the 85-86, or 86-87 model years when the deck and cabin were changed and the wing keel offered. I don't believe anything was done to change the hull structure so the rail should fit on the boat. Whether you can use the same mounting holes is another quesion though. I'll bet you could find the rail you want as salvage from the gulf coast area via the internet.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/05/2006 : 09:08:27

Al, do you have a flat floor?, I erroneously call all flat floor 25s 89s. Another thing to figure out is the transom height relative to the coaming height. The model that uses this new rail has no cut out for the tiller, an old rudder will not work on these boats, the head is too short. I think a person would be mounting some teak blocks to level out the new rail on an old boat.
Here are three shots of the "89" rail

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StSimon
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Response Posted - 10/05/2006 : 14:27:59

Thanks Al & Frank !!

Al, I'm looking forward to hearing what you think.

Frank, I'm getting the red x's instead of photos. Is it just my work laptop and the firewalls?

Do you guys know if it was just the '89 model or are there others that have this style pushpit?

Thanks...

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/05/2006 : 14:33:09

It was not an option, I believe they changed over to it with the final version of the 25 which began selling in 88 and died in 90. Is anyone else having problems viewing the photos?

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Jonathan Cuff
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Response Posted - 10/05/2006 : 14:44:59

I can see your photos Frank!

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 10/05/2006 : 16:59:53

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Jonathan Cuff
 I can see your photos Frank!
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Thanks

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StSimon
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Response Posted - 10/05/2006 : 20:14:34

Frank,

I'm on my home laptop now and can see the photos fine.

This is exactly what I would hope to install. It would make stepping onto the swim step a lot easier. I'm not afraid of doing some glass work if that's what it takes. It looks like I would have to replace my lifelines with longer ones as well. I wonder where I find the "little person" able to reach the backside though.

I'm also concerned about the rudder/tiller issue. It looks like the top of the transom is lower relative to the gunnels. Wouldn't I need to cut the stanchions in the back and re-weld the base at the new, higher location? Then I would be forced to deal with the tiller clearance issue. Wouldn't this be a great opportunity to get a new, balanced rudder? I could modify it to fit as needed.

I may call Catalina tomorrow to see what they think of the retrofit as well.

Thanks for the help everyone

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atgep
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Response Posted - 10/05/2006 : 20:30:54

I have a stepped down rear section on my 88. I also have the old deck mold that has the cutout for the tiller. I would suspect a 88 sternrail would be a posibility. My rail is attached with glased in plates over the transom and bolts on the forward end.

Tom.

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Ed Montague
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Response Posted - 10/06/2006 : 00:26:07

Two 90 degree and 2 T's stainless fittings purchased at WM, a good blade in the hacksaw (or other cutting tool) and you can drop the center of the rail down where ever you want. The fittings come with set screws to hold them in place, I welded them for a permenent hold.

You can make out one of the T's in the photo.

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StSimon
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Response Posted - 10/06/2006 : 01:06:56

That's a GREAT idea Ed

I think you came up with the perfect and simplest way to do what I was looking for. No shortening the stanchions, no replacing the lifelines, and no purchasing a new pulpit. I love it.

I'm assuming the mounts you used for the cross bar are clamp on style and don't need to slide over the end of the pipe? (not a simple option).

I also wonder if the original traveller could be removed, the crossbar lowered, and used as a new traveller. Things that make you go Hmmmm?

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 10/06/2006 : 06:40:41

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ed Montague
 Two 90 degree and 2 T's stainless fittings purchased at WM, a good blade in the hacksaw (or other cutting tool) and you can drop the center of the rail down where ever you want. The fittings come with set screws to hold them in place, I welded them for a permenent hold.

You can make out one of the T's in the photo.
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'Nice job!

BTW Ed ... what are those teak strips on the locker lids?

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aeckhart
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Response Posted - 10/06/2006 : 07:42:58

Andy,

Check out the photo in the thread titled "small and large photo" which has a picture of the stern of the 2005 national champion. He has done exactly as you are suggesting, removing the ss tube traveler to add a longer track directly to the transom. In essence, Catalina did this on the 88 when they removed the bar and notched the pulpit, but added a tube for the track so that the tiller could swing underneith (see Frank's photo). I would not prefer the mod in the race photo since it makes it much more difficult to dismount and mount the rudder although you gain at least 6 inches in the traveler. Even on my 88 model, the main sheet traveler is much too small in my opinion. The earlier "tube" version was ridiculous and probably unsafe in certain weather conditions though. This might be a good solution if you don't mind the small space for the tiller. I am still considering moving the whole system forward to the main hatch.

Frank, yes I have the flat floor. Same cockpit as yours....without the can of Slim Fast though. There was an 89 at the Nationals this year which had a different main hatch setup than mine. Much better in my opinion. If I'm am not mistaking, it also had the jib sheet traveler recessed into the weather deck. No wonder the boat started to cost too much to build.

As to the utility of stern pulpits? I'm of the opposite opinion. You can mount stuff on them like GPS antennas, solar panels, boarding ladders, stern anchors...........cruising stuff

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ct95949
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Response Posted - 10/06/2006 : 21:42:09

I have a stern anchor on the starboard post and a Lifesling on the port but climbing over the back from the swim ladder is a pain. Lowering the center rail just got put at the top of my project list. Great idea Ed !

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