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Initially Posted - 08/21/2006 : 23:54:26

For those who don't know me yet, let me start by saying that I'm new to everything that concerns sail boats. With that being said here's my next question: take a look at the pictures below and tell me if I'm attaching the jib correctly. I can't find anywhere else to attach it but it seems like there should be a short cable of some sort down there to allow the sail to come up a little higher so it doesn't get caught up on the bow pulpit. Am I right?

Former owner of a 1989 C25 WK/SR #5862
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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 08/22/2006 : 05:37:31

My arrangement is different since I have a furling rig. I cannot remember exactly how the jib normally connects - I'll try and remember to take a look after work today when I plan to go sailing. But it is not as you have done it. That pin you have it connected to is for the anchor line to keep it in place on the roller. When you lower the anchor in the water, you undo that pin and lay the line on the roller. Then lock the pin. In your present setup, you will not be able to extend the anchor out as was intended with that roller/pin arrangement.

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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 08/22/2006 : 06:07:45

Not positive but...believe there is a hole in the centerplate located to the rear of the anchor roller/pin (looking at your 1st picture) and I believe some have a shackle that attaches the jib to that hole. Others will have to describe their arrangement - Some may have that shackle extended a bit so that the jib does not interferes so much with the bow pulpit.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/22/2006 : 06:51:52

Howdy,
You are using the anchor roller "keeper" pin, that is wrong. That pin allows you to lay your anchor line on the roller and close the pin sp it cannot get off.
The bigger pin to the left os the actual tack pin, The bottom forward attachment point of a sail is called the tack. You should have a snap shackle on that pin for your sail's tack.

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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 08/22/2006 : 08:30:27

OK Newsailor. Here's the deal.

As Larry said, you're using the anchor line keeper to secure the jib tack. That won't be strong enough for stronger winds.

The anchor roler/stem fitting that you have is one of the newer versions. Take a look at the "pin" that is just to port (left) of the anchor roller. It is about twice the diameter of the anchor roller keeper. Your first photo shows this pin just a bit aft of the roller and spanning the channel just to port. Notice that this pin has a little "nib" that (when you rotate the pin) will slip through a little slot and allow the pin to be pulled outward. When you do this, you can secure the jib tack to this more sturdy pin.

There's really no practical way to keep the jib from climbing up on the bow pulpit. On working jibs (100% to about 115% jibs) the luff (forward edge of the sail with the bronze hanks) usually doesn't go all the way up the forestay. If you want better visibility forward, you can attach a 6" or so pendant that will effectively raise the foot of the sail that same 6 inches. BTW: this won't work for large genoa jibs though because these sails usually are cut with just about a full luff.

Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 08/23/2006 : 09:47:44

You don't need to worry about the jib riding on the bow pulpit. It doesn't hurt the jib, and it only rides on the pulpit when you're sailing off the wind. When you're sailing close hauled, the jib will be pulled taut, close to the spreaders, and it won't rub on the bow pulpit.

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gbeardjr
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Response Posted - 08/25/2006 : 22:22:05

Hi, On my My Catalina the sail does not attach like that at all. There is a snap shackle that attaches to the the sail. Are you taking your boat out this weekend? If the weather stays I'm going to have my first overnighter tomoorw. Either going to completely cross the bay or anchor past redfish island.

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 08/26/2006 : 00:30:13

Here's what I'd do (I'm cheap) in your case: Get out about 3 foot of really cool looking (maybe really bright yellow

) line, then tie a bowline (the knot) on the tack of the jib, and then lead that around the pin described above. The jib will be loose so you will want to hoist it up the forestay a bit farther until you have the jib near the top of the bow pulpit. Secure your jib halyard and then pull the tack line tight, loop it through the tack grommet and tie off with some really ugly knot like two half-hitches (I'm sure there will be another with a better idea.
Just my 28 cents worth on a Friday night after stopping to have a couple Red Trolley beers at Chili's with some real good friends...then dinner, of course.

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Jay Schkloven
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Response Posted - 08/26/2006 : 08:22:14

The hank on sail connects to a cable running up to the mast. At the base on the deck there should be a fitting or some holes where a fitting for a shackle can be attached. Look at another 25. To keep my sail up off the deck I use a 3 ft rope tied with a square knot in a loop through the sail tack. This hooked into the shackle and the sail was pulled up with the hailyard. This worked perfectly for years. The connection you are using now is not a good way to connect the sail. The connection will damage the sail in a good breeze.

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Brooke Willson
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Response Posted - 08/26/2006 : 10:24:32

It looks to me as though you have a second tack grommet (the metal-lined hole) attached to your jib. I've never seen anything like that. The tack that's built into the sail should be a much more secure attachment point. I'd look into removing that appendage.

Brooke

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 08/26/2006 : 12:17:25

I'd get a relatively long D-shackle...

...and a snap-shackle (like Frank's picture), put the snap-shackle ring into the D-shackle, attach the D-shackle's pin to the jib tack, and then use the snap-shackle to hook up to that left-side pin referred to above. The combination of the shackles will raise the sail a little and will keep the sail or rope pennant (if you choose to use one) away from the stem fitting, which could chafe either (which appears to be happening to the cover on the "tack extension" in the pictures).

I wonder if that extension was added to help align the tack with the forestay (and thereby the hanks)--a possibility if that pin is further forward than the stay, which doesn't show in the pictures.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 08/27/2006 : 10:34:54

Just a quick reminder to those of you using a tack pendant to raise the foot of your jibs. doing so can put a lot of unintended stress on the lowest hank unless the raised tack is somehow attached to the forestay. I use a short length of light chain as my jib tack pendant with a snap shackle attached to the jib, and a D-shackle attaching the snap shackle to the chain, and to the forestay. The D-shackle is free to slide up and down on the stay. To adjust the length of the pendant for different headsails, I snap the original tack shackle at the bow fitting to different links at the lower end of the chain.

If using a line jib tack pendant, one could tie a loop of line around the forestay, thread a fold of the loop through the tack grommet, and then down to a snap shackle or other quick attachment at the bow fitting. for example, to raise the tack about a foot, take a piece of 1/4" or so line a bit over 2' long, tie it in a large loose loop around the forestay. With the knot in front of the forestay, feed the rest of the loop through the tack, and attach it to the deck or chainplate.

-- Leon Sisson

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 08/27/2006 : 11:33:13

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 Howdy,
You are using the anchor roller "keeper" pin, that is wrong. That pin allows you to lay your anchor line on the roller and close the pin sp it cannot get off.
The bigger pin to the left os the actual tack pin, The bottom forward attachment point of a sail is called the tack. You should have a snap shackle on that pin for your sail's tack.

[url="http://mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=MPS&Category_Code=SCHSS"]Mauri Pro Shackles[/url]

Be sure to go through the link on our site.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

I checked and I actually have this shackle fastened to a hole behind the tack pin, doing that leaves the "openable" tck pin for an Asym tack and down haul.

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