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Sloop Smitten
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Initially Posted - 04/26/2006 : 17:53:28

I don't know if Jim will have time to chime in before he leaves, but we will be departing Mission Bay on Indiscipline tomorrow for the Lexus Newport/Ensenada Race. While you're out and around this weekend say a prayer for us or, if it's more your nature, raise a glass in our honor. Weather reports are calling for rain, thunderstoms, fog and brilliant sunshine over the next 5 days and we have the distinct honor of being the highest handicapped, slowest boat in the race out of 457 entries. With any luck will be hob-nobbing with Dennis Connor and Frank Butler in Ensenada on Sunday. Couldn't of written a better script!

Joe Wergers
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78 C25 FK/SR #381

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/26/2006 : 21:56:45

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Sloop Smitten
 ...With any luck will be hob-nobbing with Dennis Connor and Frank Butler in Ensenada on Sunday. Couldn't of written a better script!

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I'm betting you'll correct over a bunch of big timber... Hope you get there before Dennis and Frank have left!

I'll be thinking about you and watching for the results.

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ClamBeach
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Response Posted - 04/28/2006 : 23:24:53

Live reports from over on SA have this one pretty much a 'drifter' so far. Fastest offshore racing boats made 40 miles in 7 hours and slower boats were still visible from the starting line as darkness fell.

Hope our lads took plenty of er... 'refreshements', food and fuel.

Sounds like the place to be is in the "Cruising Class"... the motto there is "motor early and often".

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 04/29/2006 : 07:37:09

The latest official news and photos are at http://www.nosa.org/06_races-racestatus.html --NOAA thinks it'll NW (on the ass) 10 kts or less for the next few days, with "mixed swell" from the NW and S, which makes for somewhat uncomfortable lumpiness and floppy sails. Jim'll have everything flying that he can find, including his laundry.

Edited by - Dave Bristle on 04/29/2006 07:39:25

Champipple
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Response Posted - 04/29/2006 : 08:10:39

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Dave Bristle
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Sloop Smitten
 ...With any luck will be hob-nobbing with Dennis Connor and Frank Butler in Ensenada on Sunday. Couldn't of written a better script!

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I'm betting you'll correct over a bunch of big timber... Hope you get there before Dennis and Frank have left!

I'll be thinking about you and watching for the results.
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Doubtful Dave. The longer the races the more the PHRF ratings really start to kick in. If it stays light under 15 kts it will be tough going.

dw

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/30/2006 : 01:53:49

Jim and Joe, what happened? Got back Saturday around 7pm after being out on the water up and down the coast and there was "Indiscipline", in her slip.

Sailed solo up to around Del Mar, then raced some big boats back down the coast (I lost) to about mid-way down Pt. Loma, then back up to the pier off Mission Bay and turned around and raced a Merit 25 down the coast (I was a bit slower...again..flying the 110 as winds were in the upper teens most of the day), then shadowed a motoring America's boat type back up to Mission Bay (4 spreaders, VERY tall mast, no sails up, thought).
Great day...just hope Jim and Joe are okay.

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 04/30/2006 : 11:25:43

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by gnorgan
 Jim and Joe, what happened?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Indiscipline is listed as "UNS" on the results page. Doesn't that stand for Unsafe For Sailing? Does it typically relate to the boat, the conditions, or the combination of the two?

Hopefully, we'll hear from Jim and Joe soon so that we'll know everything is alright!

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Ericson33
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Response Posted - 04/30/2006 : 11:41:09

UNS from the page states that the boat is Unscored. That might mean that the air was so light that the RC gave them a finish in place because of the winds?

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gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/30/2006 : 13:21:46

No word from Jim and Joe on Indiscipline yet, no word from Wind Haven (C25)out of Long Beach, and none from our dock mate Ken Grismore on Endeavor, a 28 foot S2. However, all were given the same ranking of UNS, "Unscored". So all probably dropped out due to lack of wind and the possibility of not finishing before 11am today (15 minutes ago right now).
Also, I seem to have crossed the path of Wind Quest (a Maxi A boat that has been seen on jackstands right next to our L Dock for quite some time) sailing in good breeze off Pt. Loma last evening around 5:30. They were listed as DNF. They were motoring back to Mission Bay. I took some pictures and will try to post them later.
Later has arrived:
http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b6da11b3127cce88943da150e600000036108CatGbhs0aa

Edited by - gnorgan on 04/30/2006 23:28:10

gnorgan
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Response Posted - 04/30/2006 : 18:54:46

Ross Hendricks on his C25 Wind Haven out of Long Beach actually finished the race, after looking at the 2:30 race results. Overall time around 42 hours 38 minutes, corrected time of just under 35 hours. He left the start line at 1320 hours Friday and crosses the finish line around 8am Sunday beating the time limit by 3 hours (how's my math???). Perseverance.

Way to go Ross!!!

Edited by - gnorgan on 04/30/2006 18:56:20

JimB517
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 09:58:12

Indiscipline dropped out of the race Saturday after 24 hours of trying in very light drifting conditions. We were 9 miles out of Mission Bay and had averaged around 2 knots. We had come 60 miles and had about 70 to go. We had a crew drop out just before the start so were just 2 people. We were very very tired, I only had 2 good hours of sleep Friday night. I didn't think we could make it before the time limit and home and bed were looking really good.

Thursdays passage Mission Bay to Dana was very rough. We left on a day I never would have even sailed out of Mission Bay. We missed the storms and rain but did get lots of waves, little following winds, 5 foot following seas and 3 foot cross seas, and managed to dunk the outboard. It was running fine after the dunk, but this was weighing on my mind. I was worried about motoring back from Ensenada.

Friday we motored up to Newport in no wind and had a good start, I think we were first across, just seconds after the gun. We came to the line on starboard at the favored end, beam reached down the line until the 10 second mark, then tacked to port and were off at about 1 knot.

All that afternoon we drifted at 1 to 2 knots. We did go up with the spinnaker as soon as possible, around 3 PM. We got a little breeze about 1 to 4 AM and managed to make 4 knots but it was a head wind with spin down and close reaching with the 155. Joe relieved me at 4 am. At 6 we went back up with spin and were making 2 knots again. I went back to sleep with La Jolla Childrens cove off the port. We gybed to head in a little and made better speed, 2.5 to 3. At 1 PM we were still off Childrens Cove. PHRF L boats were still all around us, most heading way offshore. 15 knots were forecast for that afternoon but 2 PM was still flat calm. We gave up and motored in. I didn't want to motor 70 miles to get a DNF then turn around and motor back. Of course soon after we closed with Mission Bay the 15 knots did come up.

There were some really cool moments. Dolphins swam around Indiscipline all night in seas that were glowing green. You could see their every move. Stars were so clear and I saw 2 meteors during my late watch. The start was really exciting. We did complete an overnight passage.

Lessons learned:

(1) I don't think this is a good race for me to do. Its too long to go without sleep and too short to get used to a 4 hours on 4 hours off schedule.

(2) A C25 can do it, doublehanded is tough, especially in ultra light air.

(3) I need to make sure my crew knows how to up spin, gybe spin, and down spin without me on the foredeck.

(4) Take the boat up to Dana the weekend before so you can start the race rested. All day at sea Thursday, then Friday, then Saturday and finally Sunday, then back on Monday is very tiring. Only today am I feeling back to normal.

(5) C25 was fast in light air and competitive with C27s.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 13:44:48

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">(1) I don't think this is a good race for me to do. Its too long to go without sleep and too short to get used to a 4 hours on 4 hours off schedule.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
You almost need a different 6 hour schedule with 6 crew. At least one if not two in the rack (on the high side at all times) Or some variation of a staggered watch/sleep schedule.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> (2) A C25 can do it, doublehanded is tough, especially in ultra light air. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I believe it. I’ve been worn out on overnight races with 12. Granted you need minimum of 5 on deck sometimes more to sail, but in general even a 25 needs more crew. Sailing that race Gemini is near insane.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> (3) I need to make sure my crew knows how to up spin, gybe spin, and down spin without me on the foredeck. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> We had a number of drills that we did when we first started. Spin Set, 5 gybes – building up to less than 20 second in between. Then it was a douse rounding a mythical mark, 2 tacks to reset and up with the second kite. Tsunami has 3 or 4 spins so the drill went on for a while. We also used a spare rail guy to pack. You could probably do the same. You’ll be surprised how people learn and improvise after repetition. In the end we had the boat gybed on verbal command in a matter of seconds.

We also had our foredeck guy sail on 2 or 3 other boats doing mast support in club races. He’s the guy with the responsibility up there, so we tried most of the techniques or re-rigs he came back with until we got it right. But once he got it the way he liked it, he had to maintain it. The owner paid, but he did the minor work (lube, rigging tape, replace lanyards, etc.

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> (4) Take the boat up to Dana the weekend before so you can start the race rested. All day at sea Thursday, then Friday, then Saturday and finally Sunday, then back on Monday is very tiring. Only today am I feeling back to normal. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"> Better yet, get someone to do it for you while you sleep

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> (5) C25 was fast in light air and competitive with C27s. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Not a surprise, they are sluggish

Glad you are all safe.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 18:07:06

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Duane Wolff
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">(1) I don't think this is a good race for me to do. Its too long to go without sleep and too short to get used to a 4 hours on 4 hours off schedule.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
You almost need a different 6 hour schedule with 6 crew. At least one if not two in the rack (on the high side at all times) Or some variation of a staggered watch/sleep schedule.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

One of our members, Greg Jackson, sailed his C25 singlehanded for 87 hours straight in the Chicago-to-Mackinac Solo Challenge.

As far as sleep goes, at a GLSS seminar I attended, they instructed sailors to sleep whenever they're tired or whenever they can instead of scheduling sleep time because one might not be tired at their designated time. They recommended sleeping mostly during the day and when the wind wasn't light.

I, myself do this quite a bit when singlehanding. If conditions allow, I set my autopilot then nod off for 5 minutes or so. When I awaken, I look around, check my course, then nod off again.

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 05/01/2006 : 18:26:27

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">...then nod off for 5 minutes or so. When I awaken, I look around, check my course, then nod off again.
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Sounds like me trying to sleep on the hook.

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