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existentialsailor
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Initially Posted - 09/28/2005 : 19:22:43

Through the recomendation of Justin, former owner of Tako Kichi, I solved a problem on the traveler of my Capri.

With the prior cleat, it was close to impossible to release the mainsheet quickly if a gust was powerful enough. My wife especially had difficulty with this.

Thought I'd share the solution in case any other Capri owners have the Harken traveler in place of the stock one and also to thank Justin for the pointer.

Rick

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 09/28/2005 : 21:02:00

Rick,

Does your cleat pivot? I'm considering mounting one of these on my son's Dolphin Senior and have wondered how the action would be, especially in a dinghy where you're never directly inline with the mast. Also, what's the ballpark cost?

Glad you guys are here, and have a home to call your own!

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 09/29/2005 : 07:00:56

The whole unit rotates at the base which attaches to a bracket on the traveler riser located in the middle of the traveler track. The cost is about $130 without the block at Mauri Pro Sailing. This picture shows the traveler before I changed it to the new trigger cleat.

Hopefully other Capri owners will start making use of the site. I also hope Chris plans to maintain the files on his website since there is no place on this forum to do that and we have accumulated a lot of useful info on the Capri.

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Response Posted - 09/29/2005 : 11:24:14

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by existentialsailor
 I also hope Chris plans to maintain the files on his website since there is no place on this forum to do that and we have accumulated a lot of useful info on the Capri.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
We're working on adding Capri 25 sections to all of our web pages and forms. You should start to see the effects of these changes this weekend. Included will be places to capture Capri 25 brochures, manuals and technical tips, as well as a Capri 25 owners directory.

Please be patient, since our webmasters are volunteers with full-time jobs and families. However, the entire site will be worked over eventually to incorporate the Capri fleet. Like I said, we're glad you're here, and we want to show our appreciation.

Thanks for the additional info on the trigger cleat.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 09/29/2005 : 11:37:28

J.B.
No impatience was meant at all. I simply did not think there was the facility to have files on this server as I've never seen any. I thought they always resided elsewhere and were pointed to.

My apologies if I am misinformed. I truly appreciate all the folks who put in the many efforts required to run this forum. I was very pleasantly surpised to see the Capri forum so quickly!

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Response Posted - 09/29/2005 : 12:09:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Antares
 Rick,

Does your cleat pivot? I'm considering mounting one of these on my son's Dolphin Senior and have wondered how the action would be, especially in a dinghy where you're never directly inline with the mast. Also, what's the ballpark cost?

Glad you guys are here, and have a home to call your own!
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Barbara put one on her Dolphin SR and it works great. Yes it does swivel. She had to fabricate a platform out of aluminum.

Here is one on a 420 as well

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Response Posted - 09/29/2005 : 13:12:34

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by fhopper@mac.com
 Barbara put one on her Dolphin SR and it works great.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Yeah, Barbara was where I originally got the idea. Nice pic.

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Response Posted - 09/29/2005 : 14:57:58

Ebay

[url="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Harken-360-Swivel-Cam-Base-with-Harken-019-Hexaratchet_W0QQitemZ4579015673QQcategoryZ31281QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]address[/url]

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Response Posted - 09/29/2005 : 16:18:25

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by existentialsailor
 J.B.
No impatience was meant at all. I simply did not think there was the facility to have files on this server as I've never seen any. I thought they always resided elsewhere and were pointed to.

My apologies if I am misinformed. I truly appreciate all the folks who put in the many efforts required to run this forum. I was very pleasantly surpised to see the Capri forum so quickly!
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Rick - you are aware of the home website aren't you.

www.catalina25-250.org

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 09/29/2005 : 16:31:56

Frank,
That isn't a trigger cleat on eBay, it's what I replaced on mine. Just a clarification, the trigger cleat is a 418 not a 150. The 418 does not fit on the swivel that takes a 150 cleat so I don't think that swivel base is actually a 360.
Duane,
Yes, but am I missing where files can be uploaded? All I see is brochures and technical tips... sorry if I am being dense. The Yahoo group has amassed a lot of technical stuff like fiberglass layup prints, repairs to the rudder tube, spinnaker and traveler set up drawings, tuning guides, and so forth. Chris (Capri 25) has duplicated most if not all of these on his web site, maybe just a pointer here is all that is needed.

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Response Posted - 09/30/2005 : 03:40:44

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by existentialsailor
 Frank,
That isn't a trigger cleat on eBay, it's what I replaced on mine. Just a clarification, the trigger cleat is a 418 not a 150. The 418 does not fit on the swivel that takes a 150 cleat so I don't think that swivel base is actually a 360.
Duane,
Yes, but am I missing where files can be uploaded? All I see is brochures and technical tips... sorry if I am being dense. The Yahoo group has amassed a lot of technical stuff like fiberglass layup prints, repairs to the rudder tube, spinnaker and traveler set up drawings, tuning guides, and so forth. Chris (Capri 25) has duplicated most if not all of these on his web site, maybe just a pointer here is all that is needed.
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You have to send the docs to the webmaster who loads them.

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Pokey uh da LBC
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Response Posted - 09/30/2005 : 21:13:52

I actually took this type of cleat off Rat Baby and replaced it with the lewmar fiddle block shown in the photo linked below.

I didn't like the mainsheet routed aft of the traveler because it put the cleat too close to the tiller. I find that keeping the cleat facing forward and the slack in front of the traveler works better, since I'm generally straddling the primary winch while driving upwind.

Notice that I use a windward traveler as well. I like it, but sheeting-in while under load is a little dicy. It takes one hand on the tiller, one for the sheet, and a foot on the car to keep it from sliding windward.

The photo's at: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/capri25/vwp?.dir=/Rat+Baby&.src=gr&.dnm=Windward+Traveller.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/capri25/lst%3f%26.dir=/Rat%2bBaby%26.src=gr%26.view=t

Just a second opinion and worth every dime you paid for it.
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Pokey uh da LBC
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Response Posted - 09/30/2005 : 21:22:29

Sorry. that link requires a password. But you can see the photo by going to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Capri25/
Just login (if not already a member), then go to "Photos", and click on the Rat Baby folder.

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Sea Trac
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Response Posted - 09/30/2005 : 22:51:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pokey uh da LBC
 I actually took this type of cleat off Rat Baby and replaced it with the lewmar fiddle block shown in the photo linked below.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I really like that fiddle block, Steve, but it would be more than we need on the Dolphin; especially since I don't intend to install a traveler. Any thoughts about the use of the trigger cleat on a Dolphin?

BTW, welcome to the forum!

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Frank Hopper
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Response Posted - 09/30/2005 : 23:44:02

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Antares
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pokey uh da LBC
 I actually took this type of cleat off Rat Baby and replaced it with the lewmar fiddle block shown in the photo linked below.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
I really like that fiddle block, Steve, but it would be more than we need on the Dolphin; especially since I don't intend to install a traveler. Any thoughts about the use of the trigger cleat on a Dolphin?

BTW, welcome to the forum!
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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 10/01/2005 : 08:19:43

Steve,

If you put the photo on photobucket or shuterfly, then use the img tags, the picture will show up here without anyone having to create a login. I myself no longer have a login at yahoo as it was compromised. Thanks for adding to the discussion here.

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 10/02/2005 : 15:43:47

If anyone does decide to go with the trigger cleat, I highly recommend also ordering the #282 fairlead. It costs $1.70 at Mauri prosailing and it is really annoying to have the swivel travel away from you when you are easing the main sheet and you need 2 hands to get the sheet cleated agian. I found this out yesterday!

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Pokey uh da LBC
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Response Posted - 10/03/2005 : 11:38:59

Here's the photo of mysheet setup

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existentialsailor
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Response Posted - 10/03/2005 : 13:00:22

I like that set up a lot Steve. Do you find the mainsheet cleat difficult to uncleat under load?
I also like where the other cleats on the traveler are placed. Mine drive me crazy as the are on the cowling and at a really bad angle so if you are hiked up on the windward side you can't possibly reach the opposite cleat to cleat it!
I've been trying to come up with a better set up, now you've given me some ideas.
Steve do you have or could you take some pictures of how you have the lines routed out at the cowling?
Thanks.

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Pokey uh da LBC
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Response Posted - 10/03/2005 : 19:43:25

Rick,
Uncleating the mainsheet under load is pretty tough, but doable. In moderate (14-16 knots) winds, I drape the sheet over my knee while driving in case I need to dump it in a hurry. In higher winds I give it to the next guy forward, and charge him with saving our lives if the situation arises. When sailing upwind, I keep the traveler control line in my hand at all times in order to keep the boat at the proper degree of heal.

The traveler car is the windward sheeting type so you never worry about the leeward side. When you tack, it isn't necessary to uncleat the traveler before moving across the boat. You just pull it up to the proper position as you come onto the wind. The drawback is that only one side is cleated at a time. This is a slight nuisance when sailing in no wind (0-2 knots) and choppy seas. But overall I really like this type of setup.

The above photo shows all blocks (2 single uprights/side) associated with the traveler control line (Continuous). You may need to scroll right. Note that there are no cleats on the cowling, just on the car. The cleats are angled up slightly making adjustments from the rail very convenient.

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