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Bladeswell
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Initially Posted - 08/30/2015 : 07:42:41

Hello Everyone,

My boat currantly does not have Lifelines or stauncheons. It does have a bow pulpit and a pushpit. I would like to install the missing stauncheons so that I can have lifelines, but I think there is a problem. Looking at the inside of the area where the hull to deck are joined, I have coach roof interior molding that looks like it would prevent me from using the backup plates from CD. Will the backup plates actually fit there ? Maybe it just looks like there isnt enough room.
I will be at the boat today working so I can take a picture if it will clarify what I'm trying to describe. I don't want to order the backup plates without being sure they will fit as I just had a not so pleasant refund experience with CD that I don't wish to repeat. I ordered a part and they sent the wrong one. Their Mistake, not mine. They gave me a refund for the part cost including the tax. However, I had to eat the shipping and handling both ways. Okay, looking forward to your replies. Thanks Again.

Bladeswell

C25 TR FK Hull #973 1979 L-Dinette. So.Cal.

redeye
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Response Posted - 08/31/2015 : 05:47:10

I wouldn't use backing plates.

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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islander
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Response Posted - 08/31/2015 : 06:37:12

When I re-bedded mine there were only washers. Not much room in that joint area.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Tomas Kruska
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Response Posted - 08/31/2015 : 07:34:24

It depends on the state of the coring material.

Anyway, you would have to cut the inner liner. See here for more pictures from Catalina 27 http://www.blumhorst.com/catalina27/stanchions-1.htm and http://www.blumhorst.com/catalina27/stanchions-2.htm

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Edited by - Tomas Kruska on 08/31/2015 07:35:35

islander
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Response Posted - 08/31/2015 : 07:52:52

Catalina put washers at least on my boat and they are more than adequate. You will bend the stanchion over before the bolts would pull out assuming the deck isn't soft. Even if you went through the trouble of putting backing plates in the stanchion will still just bend over or break off at the weld first. Backing plates won't make the tubing any stronger. Poke around the boat and you will find that even the cleats only have washers. IMO the lifelines make for good towel driers or something people grab when docking. Throw a 200lb body at them and they would probably just fold over. They aren't doubles so you would probably slide under them yet tall enough to catch you at knee level and flip you over. Just my 2 cents..

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Edited by - islander on 08/31/2015 08:02:45

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Response Posted - 08/31/2015 : 10:15:16

Yepper... you want those stanchions to be able to pull out without causing structural damage.. Easy to repair.

Whoever was cutting out the deck ( liner ) for backing plates is just asking for de-lamination as water will wick into that open laminate...

just my 2 cents also.

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Tomas Kruska
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Response Posted - 08/31/2015 : 12:03:41

It depends if you want to rip the bolts and save the tubing or bend the stanchion

I had soft coring on my C25 too, especialy under all HW. PO just "fixed" everything with silicon

So I've removed the stanchions, dried the coring over the winter and reinstalled with butyl and larger washers from inside. It was still a little wobble, but backing plate would probaly not fix it anyway. It's just too narrow to fix the structural problems.

If you plan to keep the boat for the eternity, I would then re-core (probably would cost more than a good 1990+ model) or inject some slow curing epoxy.

PS: I've just found this as an inspiration http://c34.org/bbs/index.php?topic=5985.0#top

Edited by - Tomas Kruska on 08/31/2015 12:07:29

islander
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Response Posted - 08/31/2015 : 13:00:32

From the photo Tom, Looks like the deck was soft under that stanchion. The weakest link fails first. I think if there was a backing plate it would have torn up a much larger section of deck and possibly separated the hull deck joint. I don't think that's a Catalina 25 stanchion in that photo is it? Anyway you can't blame the use of washers for the rotted deck. Maybe Catalina used backing plates in the final years of production when they made many changes and thats why CD sells them.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

Edited by - islander on 08/31/2015 15:33:42

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Response Posted - 08/31/2015 : 18:29:27

I was attacked by a dock a few years ago and bent 3 stanchions and three bolts broke, but the washers were more than adequate.

Dave B. aboard Pearl
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Bladeswell
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Response Posted - 09/01/2015 : 05:31:32

Thanks again All,

I will take the majority advice and forgo the backup plates. It will also save me about $9 each on the stauncheon replacement. You want to watch out for those docks Dave, they can be down right sneaky. Good sailing All.

Bladeswell

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