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Bladeswell
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Initially Posted - 05/09/2016 : 17:13:57

Hello Again,

I am curious about how many of you trailer with the outboard and the rudder hung in place on the transom ? I have towed mine 3 times now but never with either hung. But in all 3 moves, I was not on my way to launch. I have a 9.9 4 stroke out board and I am concerned about the weight stressing the transom. Your views will as always be appreciated. Thanks again.

Bladeswell

C25 TR FK Hull #973 1979 L-Dinette. So.Cal.

szymek
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Response Posted - 05/09/2016 : 21:29:53

I moved mine about 3 times already and i always take the rudder and engine off. it's 10 mins job - including time to get someone to give you a hand.

If i was to take a chance, I'd be worried about rudder pintles getting loose and causing damage to rudder.

I would not worry excessively about engine - when out sailing engine usually takes quite a beating when it gets rough.

Again - having said that, I always take both off.

Daniel
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1985 C-25: SR/FK/TR #4838

offshoreaccount
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Response Posted - 05/10/2016 : 04:41:06

surely you have experienced more swell while docked or sailing with the engine in the up position and nearly out of the water. I've only lunch moved mine a couple times, botherwise with everything attached.

Offshore Account, 1977 Hull #243. SR, SK

dasreboot
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Response Posted - 05/10/2016 : 04:48:34

rudder off engine on. rudder hangs so low, and i cant launch anyways with it on. because of the slope of the ramp, it hits the pavement.

Todd Lewis
Eowyn 87 TR/WK C25 #5656
ARWEN 84 TR/SK C25 #4031
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Bladeswell
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Response Posted - 05/10/2016 : 08:05:28

Hi Everyone,

No, I have not yet experienced swell and waves as I have not yet had my boat in the water. But I can tell you as a professional truck driver that pot holes and rough roads in general are going to be more stressful in towing than swell or waves. At least this is my opinion. But everyone here has more experience than I and that is why I ask. Thanks again for your help. Good sailing all.

Bladeswell

C25 TR FK Hull #973 1979 L-Dinette. So.Cal.

Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 05/10/2016 : 14:40:43

I didn't trailer my C-25, but I've trailered boats. None of their trailers had limousine suspensions! With the outboard on a bracket on a C-25, I would have either removed the motor or tied it to a stern cleat and/or stern rail base with the bracket raised, to absorb some of the impact forces from road imperfections. I had a large Starboard plate under the bracket mounting surfaces that would have helped protect the transom, but I would have removed the motor for anything more than a short, slow-speed trip on a familiar route. The rudder would have come off for its own protection--that's easy.

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

Dave5041
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Response Posted - 05/10/2016 : 18:24:46

I trailer 2000 miles a year with the rudder and engine on and have for 7-8 years. I add a line from the mount to the stern rail to take part of the load. I also secure my kick-up rudder partially up. And you are correct that a swell doesn't come close to the load from hitting a pothole at 60.

Dave B. aboard Pearl
1982 TR/SK/Trad. #3399
Lake Erie/Florida Panhandle

Bladeswell
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Response Posted - 05/10/2016 : 20:31:42

Thanks guys,

Just wanted to make sure I wasn't being concerned without reason. I will never be trailering more than about 50 miles when the time comes but she's an old girl and I don't want to stress anything that I don't have to. Thanks again.

Bladeswell

C25 TR FK Hull #973 1979 L-Dinette. So.Cal.

Sailynn
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Response Posted - 05/10/2016 : 22:06:50

we live in calf. and never travel with the 9.8 motor and rudder on. backup the truck with tailgate down to stern of sailboat and remove both and place in truck bed with moving pads around them, motor chained to truck. been doing this with all our trailer sailboats for past 30 years. the roads in CA are the worst!

Lynn Buchanan
1988 C25 SR/WK #5777
Sailynn
Nevada City, CA

Bladeswell
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Response Posted - 05/11/2016 : 06:23:44

Thanks Lynn,

That was exactly my plan.

Bladeswell

C25 TR FK Hull #973 1979 L-Dinette. So.Cal.

Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 05/11/2016 : 09:24:28

I've never seen or heard of a C25 transom being damaged by carrying the motor on it while on the road, but I suppose it's possible. The first year that I owned my FK C25, I failed to check the motor clamps, or to attach a safety line to the motor, and the motor fell off, but the transom wasn't damaged. I never made those mistakes again and never had a re-occurrance.

I usually left the motor on, and left the rudder on for short distances, but removed the rudder for long distances. On a wing or SK, the boat sits lower, and it's easier to remove and re-install the motor, but on a fin keel, the boat is very high, and it's very difficult to remove and re-install the motor singlehandedly. Moreover, most of the weight of an outboard motor is in the power head, and that makes it top-heavy when it is above your head and you are trying to lift it off the mount.

My suggestion is that you use whatever procedure that works for your particular boat and your needs. If you have a beefy young helper, then removing and re-installing it makes sense. If not, then leave it on the mount and tilted, with a safety line, and it's doubtful that there'll be any harm.

Steve Milby J/24 "Captiva Wind"
previously C&C 35, Cal 25, C25 TR/FK, C22
Past Commodore

Edited by - Steve Milby on 05/11/2016 09:25:30

islander
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Response Posted - 05/11/2016 : 11:19:39

Just to add a little side note, If you do leave the motor on when trailering definatley have backing plates for the motermount
installed.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

tpothen
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Response Posted - 05/11/2016 : 12:04:56

Another side note, watch your tongue weight if you leave the motor on. If I leave my Honda 9.9 on it adds enough weight that I have trailer sway.

"Myasis Dragon" 77' C25/SR/SK/Din.
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offshoreaccount
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Response Posted - 05/11/2016 : 12:28:57

do you mean it reduces tongue weight enough you have trailer sway?

Offshore Account, 1977 Hull #243. SR, SK

Dave5041
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Response Posted - 05/11/2016 : 12:55:36

100'ish pounds beyond the stern probably takes 100'ish pounds off the ball. If it impacts it that much you're probably at the absolute minimum tongue weight for your rig.

Dave B. aboard Pearl
1982 TR/SK/Trad. #3399
Lake Erie/Florida Panhandle

Edited by - Dave5041 on 05/11/2016 12:57:08

tpothen
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Response Posted - 05/11/2016 : 13:07:59

It does reduce the tongue weight enough to cause sway. I just wanted to throw that out there so the first time the OP pulls the boat he could watch for it.

This would be easy to fix by sliding the boat forward on the trailer a couple inches but I no longer have to trailer the boat.

"Myasis Dragon" 77' C25/SR/SK/Din.
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Bladeswell
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Response Posted - 05/11/2016 : 17:12:16

Thanks Everyone,

Great advice as always. I will not be trailering often and am currently on a waiting list for a slip. Once she's in her slip I will be selling the trailer, problem solved. I just don't want any undue wear or damage in the meantime. Again my thanks.

Bladeswell

C25 TR FK Hull #973 1979 L-Dinette. So.Cal.

offshoreaccount
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Response Posted - 05/11/2016 : 18:12:37

quote:
Originally posted by tpothen

It does reduce the tongue weight enough to cause sway. I just wanted to throw that out there so the first time the OP pulls the boat he could watch for it.

This would be easy to fix by sliding the boat forward on the trailer a couple inches but I no longer have to trailer the boat.

THe way you said it originally indicated that adding the outboard increased tongue weight. I'm merely pointing out the effect is the opposite.

Offshore Account, 1977 Hull #243. SR, SK

Bladeswell
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Response Posted - 05/11/2016 : 18:27:16

Any weight added behind the axles will reduce tongue weight.

Bladeswell

C25 TR FK Hull #973 1979 L-Dinette. So.Cal.

Stinkpotter
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 05/11/2016 : 19:46:33

quote:
Originally posted by offshoreaccount

THe way you said it originally indicated that adding the outboard increased tongue weight. I'm merely pointing out the effect is the opposite.

You both agree. Insufficient tongue weight induces sway. But if the outboard causes that, the tongue weight might have been a little low to begin with. The lever-arm aft of the axles is relatively short compared to that forward to the tongue--110 lbs. back there will translate to much less than that at the hitch.

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

OJ
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Response Posted - 05/12/2016 : 15:17:13

quote:
Originally posted by Sailynn

. . . never travel with the 9.8 motor and rudder on. backup the truck with tailgate down to stern of sailboat and remove both and place in truck bed . . .

Ditto

1989 C25 TR/WK, #5822
1973 McVay Minuet 19
1975 Jester 12
1981 C25 SR/SK, #2428
1981 C22 SR/SK,
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