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zeil
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Initially Posted - 09/09/2015 : 20:42:16

On our '95 C250 the "Seaward Princess Model 1273", one pit stove is not working. The problem seems to be that even though the "sparker", works the gas valve inside the stove will not open up...

Any suggestions or ideas as to how to fix this...?

1) I've removed the unit from the the boat and can work on it in the garage
2) Gently tapped the valve body on both sides with the valve, stove and bottle, fully open and the sparker going in the hope that under pressure the stove's valve would open
3) There does not appear to be a Seaward Princess dealer in BC or WA

Any suggestions, directions and advice is very welcome

The stove was not used for two full past seasons.

Henk & Johanna
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Response Posted - 09/10/2015 : 10:49:36

second pic, where the wire is screwed to the cross bar and it is rusty, loosen screw and sand away the rust to maker sure you have good contact there. Just a guess!
Will it light manually?

DavidP
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Percy Priest Yacht Club, Hamilton Creek Marina, Nashville, TN

Edited by - dmpilc on 09/10/2015 10:50:42

TakeFive
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Response Posted - 09/10/2015 : 13:29:31

I don't mean to suggest user error, but consider a few things:

Is the orifice clogged?
Is the solenoid switch energized, closed (as in closed circuit "turned on"), and lighted (red light indicator on)?
If left unused for a long time, all the dead volume in the hoses has filled with air. It could take a very long time before combustible gas reaches the orifice.
Once gas is burning, you need to continue to hold down the knob until the thermocouple is fully heated up, otherwise the gas stops as soon as you release the knob.

Rick S., Swarthmore, PA
PO of Take Five, 1998 Catalina 250WK #348 (relocated to Baltimore's Inner Harbor)
New owner of 2001 Catalina 34MkII #1535 Breakin' Away (at Rock Hall Landing Marina)

Edited by - TakeFive on 09/10/2015 21:06:32

islander
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Response Posted - 09/10/2015 : 15:40:12

OK, I can't resist. The last picture, No gas bottle...

Problem solved!

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

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Response Posted - 09/12/2015 : 17:50:08

On our model, we had to hold the gas control open (against the sprint) for several seconds before it would lock open and we could release it.

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zeil
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Response Posted - 09/13/2015 : 17:47:17

Thank you Rick for the following comments posted on the "Swap Meet" section of this forum

You Quote: (Note that there were fuel changes during the C250 run. 1998 and later used LPG fuel bottle in the starboard cockpit locker, 1997 and prior used butane canisters (aerosol can style) under the galley sink. I am told that at some earlier time they had used CNG canisters, but I have not personally seen any of these.

I am not sure what your boat used, but you may want to make sure you get a compatible model.

It is possible that they all use the same stove, but probably with a different orifice that is tuned to the BTU and flow properties of the specific fuel. Also likely have very different connection fittings) End of quote
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Our 1995 C250 WB boat originally came with a rinky dink butane contraption installed below the counter. It was hard to operate, replace the canister and often could hear gas escaping if the canister was not installed exactly the right way.

Instead, we followed Arlyn Steward's initiative and replaced it with a valve to fit the popular one pound propane tank and added. In addition,we added a remote gas sniffer with the sensor in the galley below the floor. To be doubly safe we remove the tank every night.

Thank you guys for your input as well... we're still struggling to get the old burner going again... it could be that the "thermal coupling" is on the blink, the electrical sparker works intermittently and needs some attention.

However, if we can't fix things back to it's original state, it will still work by torching (heating) the coupling next to the burner and... even without being hooked up to the battery.

By the way... there seem to be no factory dealers around to service this product and don't seem to be able to contact the Seaward Princess factory

Edited by - zeil on 09/19/2015 18:42:37

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/13/2015 : 19:06:18

Perhaps you should just leave it out and get a portable butane stove.

DavidP
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PO of 1984 C-25 SK/TR #4142 "Recess"
Percy Priest Yacht Club, Hamilton Creek Marina, Nashville, TN

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Response Posted - 09/13/2015 : 20:40:46

Safer alternative. Burns hot costs $30.
Comes with a case so it can be stowed away.

John Gisondi
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Response Posted - 09/14/2015 : 07:12:15

This thread got me thinking about my stove, I've had my '98 for 10 years and have never used the stove. I may try it to see if it works. Not sure if there is any propane in the tank, does it go bad with age like gasoline?

1998 250WK #331
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zeil
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Response Posted - 09/19/2015 : 18:38:44

Success, repaired and better than new... the "Princess Stove", that is

It took some doing but finally found a RV sales outlet with a repair shop. Since we could neither locate the Seaward manufacturer nor any dealers we were afraid that the excellent little one pit counter-top stove could not be repaired and would have no choice but, after all warm meals on the boat are the highlight of the day, to look for an alternative.

By phoning around we did eventually locate a RV dealer who was willing to look at it. (Don't mention that it is out of a sailboat) A couple of days later the dealer phoned up and said it was fixed and ready for pick-up. Total cost $137.00 including a $57.00 part... not bad!!

Since there must be over a 1000 or so stoves installed in the C25 and C250 it may be helpful for future reference to share the information.

Owners of www.kustomkoachrv.com who's repair shop was willing to test, troubleshoot and replace the "reignitor", of our Princess single burner stove.

Description of the replacement part with image of faulty part

Replaced reignitor

Inside of stove with rusty ground connector cleaned

Gas stove in perfect working order...
Water pump tap and switch were replaced at the same time.
Note: The black paint below the glass of the stove around the edges came off during the removal of the stove... we'll either have to repaint it before sealing the edges or use butyl tape of the same or near the same color of the counter-top.

Edited by - zeil on 09/19/2015 18:43:09

islander
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Response Posted - 09/20/2015 : 05:13:24

Very good!...So whats for dinner?

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

zeil
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Response Posted - 09/20/2015 : 15:12:57

A hot, white linen, 5 course served dinner enhanced by a good bottle of red and white wine, in great company followed by cigars, brandy and cognac

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Response Posted - 09/21/2015 : 03:29:27

Good news! Fixing old device is a joy :-)

But I would not seal that with butyl, because when the plate gets hot, the butyl will soften a lot, I think.

Dalpol Phobos 21, 2013, Sole Mio, hull #27, current adventures - We sail Phobos 21

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zeil
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Response Posted - 09/21/2015 : 08:29:10

Good point... any suggestions?

The counter top, below the stove's glass surface, is slightly warped. It needs something to fill the gap

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Response Posted - 09/21/2015 : 09:40:53

One of very FEW places silicone is up to the task: good heat resistance.

s/v No Worries, O'Day 28
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