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Landshark
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Initially Posted - 01/03/2015 : 20:12:38

Hello!

We've got a 1978 Catalina 25. The winches used for the jib sheet are looking a little decrepit.

Before I ask my question, here's an example picture of the type of winches we have (not exact, but same style, more or less).

http://newcontent.westmarine.com/content/images/catalog/full/545772a.jpg

The rubber ring at the top which the line 'cleats' into is falling apart on our winches (the rubber is disintegrating, I'm assuming it's the original winch). I haven't been able to find anything like it anywhere.

Specifically I'd like to just replace the rubber ring at the top. Any ideas on where I might find this replacement? I looked on CD's website, but didn't see anything there.

Thanks!

EDIT: On further investigation, I was able to find them on west marine's website (where the picture is from). I guessed the part # based on the URL and it brought me here: http://www.westmarine.com/buy/barton-marine--wincher-self-tailers--P000545798

I haven't measured our winches yet, but am hoping these rings are good generic replacements? I'm not too sure.

Edited by - Landshark on 01/03/2015 20:15:20

Ape-X
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Response Posted - 01/03/2015 : 20:19:25

those work to hold the ine, not self-tailers. you can simply remove without ill-effect. and they are generic to any winch, size appropriate.

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islander
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Response Posted - 01/04/2015 : 08:57:51

The winchers are an add on and are not part of the winch when they were new. Price wise I think you could do better at Defender. http://www.defender.com/category.jsp?path=-1%7C118%7C2358547& id=2358555

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Davy J
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Response Posted - 01/04/2015 : 15:17:45

I added Winchers to my C25. They would be better called "cleaters". They will easily hold a sheet without cleating it off.

There are two problems with Winchers.

1) To get them to "self-tail" you need to load line on the winch. It does work, but easing the sheet is a little more difficult because of the number of wraps needed to "self-tail".

Photo of self-tailing:

Photo of "cleating":

2) In my case, I had 3/8" sheets. They were too large for the "cleating" part and I ended up changing the sheets out with 5/16" line. The 5/16" line would grab in the Wincher but of course required more turns on the winch (see photo above).

They are a compromise at best. I'm not sure I would add them for sheets again. Maybe on a halyard winch.......?

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Peregrine
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Response Posted - 01/04/2015 : 20:00:27

The rubber rings around the the top of your winches are a fake self tailing cleat. They never worked that good but were fine for casual cruising.
IMO They were never necessary, a cleat or a cam just past the winch is more than sufficient. Learning to sheet in as you tack will make trimming the jib easier and faster without the need for a self tailing winch.

For winch maintenance refer to the manual here;
http://www.lewmar.com/assets/img/dataset/Manual-Winch%20Service%20Manual%20B2304%20iss6.pdf

A suggestion is to cut a hole out of the bottom of a box and place it over the winch before you start to open it up. It will catch the pieces that WILL go flying as you disassemble it...

IMO forget the rubber rings, learn to sheet in as you are coming about and service your winches at any sign they are hanging up.

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