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Sloop Smitten
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Initially Posted - 03/10/2010 :  19:25:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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HIN Formats Before August 1, 1984

The boat manufacturer must display two identical hull identification numbers, no less than one-fourth of an inch high, on each boat hull. The primary HIN must be permanently affixed (so that it can be seen from outside the boat) to the starboard side of the transom within two inches of the top of the transom, gunwale, or hull/deck joint, whichever is lowest.


I have one on the rear starboard side of the transom just under the rubrail. Anyone ever see another on a C25?
Joe Wergers
Utopia
Fleet 7/Oceanside, CA
78 C25 FK/SR #381

britinusa
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Response Posted - 03/10/2010 :  20:07:00  Show Profile  Visit britinusa's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Joe, another thread pointed out that the C250 has the HIN 'Label' embeded into the Stbd Cabin Locker on the inside.

Don't kwow where on the C25 a second 'label' is located though.
Paul
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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 03/10/2010 :  20:25:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I never found another one on my '85. What it had looked like it was scratched into the gelcoat with a nail.
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OJ
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Response Posted - 03/11/2010 :  09:31:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Dave Bristle

. . . it had looked like it was scratched into the gelcoat with a nail . . .

Hulls that had initial defects coming out of the mold had their hins scribed with a pick (as opposed to a stamp) after they were re-worked.
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Voyager
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Response Posted - 03/11/2010 :  10:49:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh crap! Well, the hull has lasted 25 years, I guess it's still OK.
I went looking for the HIN last week, any idea where to look?
Bruce Ross
Passage ~ SR-FK ~ C25 #5032


Association Member ~ Port Captain ~ Stratford & Milford, CT
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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 03/11/2010 :  11:45:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anyone have a C-25 with a molded in # on the transom? I've neither heard of one nor OJ's comment. Just curious.

Dave B. aboard Pearl
1982 TR/SK/Trad. #3399
Lake Erie/Pensacola
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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 03/11/2010 :  12:23:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The HIN is impressed after the hull comes out of the mold. It's just below the rub-rail on the starboard side of the transom. It starts with CTY. Mine had a K after that--I think that means "Keel" (fixed fin). The hull number is digits 5-8, followed by the month and year built.
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Sloop Smitten
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Response Posted - 03/11/2010 :  13:47:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Actually the format of the HIN is dependent on if the boat was built before or after August 1, 1984. So the format of the HIN on my 78 model would differ from the 85 model that Dave use to own. This link explains it all.

HIN Numbers
Joe Wergers
Utopia
Fleet 7/Oceanside, CA
78 C25 FK/SR #381
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OJ
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Response Posted - 03/11/2010 :  14:11:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Dave5041

. . . I've neither heard of one nor OJ's comment . . .

Gotcha!
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RhythmDoctor
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Response Posted - 03/11/2010 :  19:23:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by OJ

Hulls that had initial defects coming out of the mold had their hins scribed with a pick (as opposed to a stamp) after they were re-worked.

I feel my leg being pulled....HARD!


Rick S., Swarthmore, PA
Anchorage Marina on the Delaware River
1998 C250WK #348 to be named "Take Five"
1985 Phantom 15
1991 Trophy 15
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OJ
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Response Posted - 03/11/2010 :  19:37:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Several years ago someone here complained about some of the silly, made-up stories about C25s and suggested/requested that these types of posts stop . . . to which I immediately replied "I understand the mizzen mast on the C25 is actaully the same one used for the main mast on the C22."

Okay, I have cabin fever!
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Ed Cassidy
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Response Posted - 03/11/2010 :  20:11:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good stuff! Mine has a metal plate just below the tiller on the rear wall of the cockpit but I don't find anything on the outside of the transom.

Ed
HisHorse
1979 SR/SK #1393
Green Cove Springs, FL
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 03/11/2010 :  22:02:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Regarding HIN numbers: CTY is the 3 character identifier for Catalina Yachts, and the "K" is the model indicator for the C-25 (C-22's have the letter "H"). The middle 4 characters represent the hull number and should be the same as in the transom plate and the sail number. The last 4 characters indicate the month and year built, sometimes the model year as well.
DavidP
1984 C-25 SK/TR #4142 "Recess" Fleet 36
1975 C-22 SK #5459 "Shadowfax" Fleet 52
Percy Priest Yacht Club, Hamilton Creek Marina, Nashville, TN
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islander
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Response Posted - 03/12/2010 :  06:44:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Does anyone have a C-25 with a molded in # on the transom? I've neither heard of one nor OJ's comment. Just curious.

Yes my 87 does. It is molded or stamped on the transom,Starboard side below the rub rail with block letters but is definitely not scratched in.
Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688 Sailing Long Island Sound.
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 03/13/2010 :  05:23:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mine is stamped in too.
DavidP
1984 C-25 SK/TR #4142 "Recess" Fleet 36
1975 C-22 SK #5459 "Shadowfax" Fleet 52
Percy Priest Yacht Club, Hamilton Creek Marina, Nashville, TN
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Steve Milby
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Response Posted - 03/13/2010 :  07:59:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
C25s were built in a California plant and in a Florida plant. I wonder if one of the plants used a stamp to put on the numbers, and the other scratched them in, probably with an engraving pen. I can see the possibility that it might be less time consuming to put them on by hand, with an engraving pen, and maybe one plant manager directed it to be done that way.

It wouldn't make sense, for legal reasons, to label a boat as defective, and then not disclose that fact to the buyer, who's paying full price for it. If they wanted to preserve a record of boats with defects, they could have done it in the privacy of their non-public company records, and not by carving it onto the boats, for all the world to see.
Steve Milby "Captiva Wind II" C&C 35 Landfall
Past Commodore
Edited by - Steve Milby on 03/13/2010 09:32:14
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Dave5041
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Response Posted - 03/13/2010 :  09:42:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Mine has a metal plate just below the tiller on the rear wall of the cockpit


The plate, at least on Pearl, doesn't include the entire HIN. I discovered that when I got insurance and had to come here with the occasionally recurring HIN question. Careful examination with a flashlight at low angles revealed it below the rubrail.

Dave B. aboard Pearl
1982 TR/SK/Trad. #3399
Lake Erie/Pensacola
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sbell52859
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Response Posted - 03/13/2010 :  10:34:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have an 82 and HIN# is on the starboard side ... looks like a kid carving... good enough for the registry though
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Dave Bristle
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 03/13/2010 :  11:22:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Steve Milby

It wouldn't make sense, for legal reasons, to label a boat as defective, and then not disclose that fact to the buyer, who's paying full price for it...
You haven't been in a car/truck plant...
Association Port Captain, Mystic, CT
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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 03/13/2010 :  15:32:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For what it's worth, my 1980 has the HIN molded in outside starboard side under the rub rail and has a metal plate just below the tiller on the inboard side of the transom. I believe I read on a different thread that their might also be a number somewhere on the inner hull behind a bulkhead or cabinet, but I have never had the urge to look.
Peter Bigelow
C-25 TR/FK #2092 Limerick
Rowayton, Ct
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Ed Cassidy
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Response Posted - 03/13/2010 :  20:08:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I found the one on the transom and the metal plate.

Ed
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