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Catalina250
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Initially Posted - 03/19/2019 :  14:43:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all, I have a 2006 Catalina 250 WK I purchased in October (2018), and I bought it knowing it needed the head replaced. The PO sold it to me with a brand new toilet in the box that he hadn't gotten around to replacing. It is a Jabsco twist-n-lock. Unfortunately the Jabsco he provided to me has a discharge with an elbow


My discharge hoses don't allow me the flexibility to connect to that elbow discharge since the Jabsco elbow discharge is pointing upwards, and the original toilet had a strait horizontal discharge.

So I think my options are:

1 - I could buy this, which Raritan has a strait discharge exit for https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=10301 but it is pricey, and I don't know if mounting it would be a problem or not.

2 - I could start re-routing the discharge hoses but I'm pretty scared to do this, and I think it would result in having to cut a hole higher up here or something, and quite frankly I feel like this is over my head
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3 - I could try and get some sort of fitting to take the elbow discharge back down. I'm afraid of doing this because it seems like the exit would be going upwards, back down, then straitening out, which sounds like a lot of fittings and chances for leaks. This is my crude drawing of what I'd need to do with fittings (in red) for the discharge


Any other ideas? Help!

Edited by - Catalina250 on 03/19/2019 14:46:58

islander
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Response Posted - 03/19/2019 :  18:02:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just taking a stab at this but it appears that outlet might be able to discharge out straight if you unscrew it and turn it 180 degrees then screw it back on if that is possible.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound



Edited by - islander on 03/19/2019 18:04:56
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Response Posted - 03/19/2019 :  22:10:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Contact Jabsco. I bet they have alternate fittings that may work better for you.

Rick S., Swarthmore, PA
PO of Take Five, 1998 Catalina 250WK #348 (relocated to Baltimore's Inner Harbor)
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Catalina250
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Response Posted - 03/20/2019 :  04:31:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Islander, you are correct, you CAN flip it over, but unfortunately the angles in the picture are a bit misleading and that winds up pointing it too far down... so much so that there isnít enough room to get the hose on. A good and insightful suggestion though for sure!

TakeFive, I paid someone else to look at this for me and he said Jabsco didnít have a part for this (he recommended I replace the toilet outright), but I think it is worth me calling Jabsco and making sure... Iíll do that.

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated!
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Response Posted - 03/20/2019 :  04:53:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is the manual for instalation.http://media.channelblade.com/EProWebsiteMedia/3506/Jabsco%20Twist%20n%20Lock%20Manual%20Toilets.pdf


From the manual it can be rotated to discharge 360 deg.
" Multi-angle discharge elbow for ease of installation".

"The Discharge Elbow (key 34) may be rotated 360į to
suit your installation. Always slacken the 2 securing
screws, adjust the discharge elbow to the required
position and re-tighten the 2 securing screws before
you connect the hose to it"
If this doesn't get it straight or close You can heat the hose to make it flexible and be able to put a bend in it. A heat gun or hot water should do it.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound



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Catalina250
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Response Posted - 03/20/2019 :  09:07:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


Islander, I've taken this off and it does rotate, but only in 90 degree increments. so it can exit up, down, left, or right. As this image shows though, when it exits down, it is exiting almost strait into the floor. I think my issue is the inflexibility of those hoses... I wonder, could I replace those hoses with something more flexible? Is that an option, or do those hoses need to be rigid?
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islander
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Response Posted - 03/20/2019 :  10:45:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The sanitation hose really shouldn't be substituted cuz they are mmade to stop smells from permeating through. You can make them more pliable by warming them. I would give that a shot first before buying a new head.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound


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Catalina250
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Response Posted - 03/20/2019 :  11:01:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK, heating the hose sounds like something I need to give a shot.

I've also got a call into Catalina to see if they have a suggestion... surely other C-250 owners have had to replace a toilet.
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Catalina250
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Response Posted - 03/20/2019 :  11:18:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Any thoughts about these products?

https://www.marinesan.com/45-Bend-Kit-p/45-bend-kit.htm


http://www.fawcettboat.com/pc_product_detail.asp?key=88BA0739C632474C88B6CAFC8D5EADFC&_vsrefdom=adwords&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-6fk46aR4QIVhbrACh2v6QbKEAQYASABEgJqtfD_BwE


Edited by - Catalina250 on 03/20/2019 12:49:53
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islander
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Response Posted - 03/20/2019 :  13:15:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The flexible hose looks promising. A piece attached to the toilet that you can then bend straight back and attached to your existing hose with a common 1-1/2" hose Barb.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound


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Catalina250
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Response Posted - 03/20/2019 :  13:24:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok, well... it sounds like I have options, and some plumbing in my near future! Thanks
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islander
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Response Posted - 03/22/2019 :  07:28:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just a thought but did you ever look into a rebuild kit for the existing head? Basically it would make it new.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound


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Catalina250
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Response Posted - 04/02/2019 :  09:55:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To answer the question about a rebuild kit for the old pump... that would have been a great idea, but I don't have the old pump, so... no can do there.


I'm headed to the boat this weekend... I've done all the research I think I can, and I think the Raritan Sani/Flex hosing is my best option... so i'm going to chop off a length of the existing hose, and replace it with the sani/flex hosing... from reading some other reviews and discussions on the Raritan hosing, it is pretty flexible, so i think that is pretty promising.


I'm curious about "splicing" those two hoses... Does this seem like a reasonable option to connect those two hoses?

https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?name=marineeast-hose-to-hose-splice-adapter&path=-1&id=2795078&cartId=15174588

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islander
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Response Posted - 04/02/2019 :  10:58:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yep, That is what you will need. Don't forget hose clamps. Make sure the clamps are stamped 'All Stainless' meaning that the worm gear is stainless also.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound



Edited by - islander on 04/02/2019 11:04:07
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Catalina250
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Response Posted - 04/15/2019 :  11:36:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
FYI, I did wind up using the Raritan butyl saniflex hosing. I had to do some weird routing of the hose in order to make it work... I'll try and post pictures after this next weekend. Thanks for the help here. I'm not done with it yet (the hose is routed in a circle around the FRONT of the pump... so it is definitely a short term solution), but at least we can use it now, and it isn't leaking or putting any strain on the pump assembly.
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