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Bladeswell
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Initially Posted - 08/21/2017 :  10:12:10  Show Profile  Visit Bladeswell's Homepage
Hello Again,

Back with another update on my restoration progress. I have finished making new teak hatch boards, one new hatch board rail, The trim boards next to the companionway, the partition between the galley and the saloon and finally, a new dinette table.

















Next up will be the sliding hatch rails. After that it will be time for the ladder. The fun just never ends.

Bladeswell
C25 TR FK Hull #973 1979 L-Dinette. So.Cal.

oldengineer1949
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Response Posted - 08/21/2017 :  11:54:57  Show Profile
Bladeswell,

gorgeous work! Pualani Nui is sooo jealous! Ho'omaika'i 'ana! (Congratulations!)

Regards,
Al and Bernadette, "Pualani Nui", '82 C25 SR/SK, homeport MCB Quantico
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sethp001
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Response Posted - 08/21/2017 :  12:30:09  Show Profile
Looks great!

Please remind me: what products are you using to finish the wood?


Seth
"Outlier" 1987 Catalina 25 SR/SK/Traditional Interior #5541
"Zoo" 1977 Morgan Out Island 30
"Nomad" 1980 Prindle 16
"Lost" 1988 Catalina Capri 14.2 (sold - yay!)
"Marine Tex 1" Unknown Origin POS 8' Fiberglass Dinghy
https://whichsailboat.com/2014/07/27/catalina-25-review/
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Bladeswell
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Response Posted - 08/21/2017 :  12:56:36  Show Profile  Visit Bladeswell's Homepage
Hi guys,

And thanks. Also, I really enjoyed your story in the last 2 installments of the Mainsheet. Write more. There is far too little in the Mainsheet about us smaller boats. Seth, I use Helmsman Spar Varnish Polyurethane from a can. Available from Home Depot. All of my interior wood is or will be done with the polyurethane. I used Sikkens Cetol Natural Teak on the exterior wood. When I do the sliding hatch rails, I am going to switch to the polyurethane for a side by side time test. I was unhappy with the finished results from the Cetol. After following the manufacturer instructions to the T, I found the finish to be rather soft and rubbery. I waited the recommended 24 hours between coats with an outside temperature of 98-105 degrees. So we will see how the polyurethane holds up right next to the Cetol. Have a great day all.

Bladeswell
C25 TR FK Hull #973 1979 L-Dinette. So.Cal.
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islander
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Response Posted - 08/21/2017 :  13:52:36  Show Profile
Helmsman is what I use on the exterior wood and seems to last just as long as the higher priced brands. It is a Urethane, Not a Polyurethane. Urethanes are more flexible than Polyurethane making Urethane a better choice on wood that expands and contracts in a marine environment. Very nice woodworking by the way.
Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound


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sethp001
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Response Posted - 08/21/2017 :  16:18:30  Show Profile
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Originally posted by Bladeswell

Hi guys,

And thanks. Also, I really enjoyed your story in the last 2 installments of the Mainsheet. Write more. There is far too little in the Mainsheet about us smaller boats. Seth, I use Helmsman Spar Varnish Polyurethane from a can. Available from Home Depot. All of my interior wood is or will be done with the polyurethane. I used Sikkens Cetol Natural Teak on the exterior wood. When I do the sliding hatch rails, I am going to switch to the polyurethane for a side by side time test. I was unhappy with the finished results from the Cetol. After following the manufacturer instructions to the T, I found the finish to be rather soft and rubbery. I waited the recommended 24 hours between coats with an outside temperature of 98-105 degrees. So we will see how the polyurethane holds up right next to the Cetol. Have a great day all.

Bladeswell


Thanks, Guy! Actually those two articles were written by folks from this forum. All I did was the editing.



Seth
"Outlier" 1987 Catalina 25 SR/SK/Traditional Interior #5541
"Zoo" 1977 Morgan Out Island 30
"Nomad" 1980 Prindle 16
"Lost" 1988 Catalina Capri 14.2 (sold - yay!)
"Marine Tex 1" Unknown Origin POS 8' Fiberglass Dinghy
https://whichsailboat.com/2014/07/27/catalina-25-review/
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sethp001
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Response Posted - 08/21/2017 :  16:21:20  Show Profile
Thanks for the info on the varnish, Guy and Scott. I just switched from Cetol original to Helmsman Spar Urethane this year.

If you look at this article from Practical Sailor (link below and photos from the article attached), it seems that after two years Helmsman Spar Urethane maintains coating integrity almost as well as Cetol and retains gloss better. Helmsman is also initially better than Cetol. However, Cetol is indicated as being better after one year despite being worse after two years. The article indicates Cetol maintains color better, but that seems like a silly comparison, since Cetol adds color like paint while Helmsman is clear.

As far as my usage has gone, I think the only advantage Cetol provides is hiding imperfections in the wood, which of course also hides the natural characteristics of the wood. It also always annoyed me that the Cetol instructions indicated that it should not be applied in direct sunlight - hard to accomplish on a boat unless you only apply it at dawn or dusk, or on overcast days - but some folks seem to get along fine applying it in direct sunlight. The Cetol directions indicate sanding is required between coats, but some folks also seem to get along fine without sanding.

https://www.practical-sailor.com/issues/37_9/features/exterior_wood_10576-1.html


Varnish Alternative Chart Includes Cetol



Varnish Chart Includes Helmsman


Seth
"Outlier" 1987 Catalina 25 SR/SK/Traditional Interior #5541
"Zoo" 1977 Morgan Out Island 30
"Nomad" 1980 Prindle 16
"Lost" 1988 Catalina Capri 14.2 (sold - yay!)
"Marine Tex 1" Unknown Origin POS 8' Fiberglass Dinghy
https://whichsailboat.com/2014/07/27/catalina-25-review/
Edited by - sethp001 on 08/21/2017 16:31:44
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Bladeswell
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Response Posted - 08/21/2017 :  17:03:54  Show Profile  Visit Bladeswell's Homepage
OMG,

Scott is absolutely correct. It is Urethane, not polyurethane. I really need to pay closer attention to what I say or type. showing my age I guess....LoL. It is available as both a brush on or a spray can. And before anyone should ask, yes it does provide UV protection.



Please forgive me for the sidewise view. I tried to fix it and couldn't figure it out. Good catch Scott. Keep up the good work.

Bladeswell
C25 TR FK Hull #973 1979 L-Dinette. So.Cal.
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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 08/21/2017 :  19:22:11  Show Profile  Visit OLarryR's Homepage
Great work on the companionway boards ! Very professional !

Those storage covers also came out great! Hmmm - Maybe I should look mine over - Probably could use some attention.
Larry
'89 Robin's Nest#5820, Potomac River/Quantico, Va
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 08/22/2017 :  06:26:32  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by sethp001

...The Cetol directions indicate sanding is required between coats, but some folks also seem to get along fine without sanding.
I just use a Scotchbrite pad to scuff it up without cutting through it.
Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge
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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 08/22/2017 :  07:03:33  Show Profile
Great job, the wood looks great!
DavidP
1975 C-22 SK #5459 "Shadowfax" Fleet 52
PO of 1984 C-25 SK/TR #4142 "Recess"
Percy Priest Yacht Club, Hamilton Creek Marina, Nashville, TN
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Bladeswell
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Response Posted - 08/22/2017 :  07:51:04  Show Profile  Visit Bladeswell's Homepage
Hello Again,

I also chose to use scotchbrite pads between coats of Cetol. I don't know what might have gone wrong, I just know that I am unhappy with the results. Oh well........


Bladeswell
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Akenumber
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Response Posted - 08/26/2017 :  11:09:34  Show Profile
I found cetol doesn't flow very well in that much heat. It goes on kinda thick and globby. It probably would have helped to thin it a litle.
Ken
San Diego
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C25BC
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Response Posted - 09/02/2017 :  10:12:07  Show Profile
I did 5 coats of Cetol teak after soda blasting the wood on my '74 C22 and the finish turned quite good ( no sanding between coats ) . More of a hassle removing the wood , broken screws etc.. As I understood it you can get by with one coat a year after that without removing the wood again . Sold the boat 4 months later and bought the 25 , looks like I'll have to do it again next season .
Angus
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1984 Catalina 25 SK/SR/Trad.
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Voyager
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Response Posted - 09/02/2017 :  17:22:19  Show Profile
As I've mentioned quite a few times, I like Cetol for the exterior. It holds up very well for about 4 years, then I have to pull all the brightwork off the boat and sand, prep then refinish if I want good looking teak. That said, my buddy who also has a C25 in Milford Harbor had a mystery substance on his brightwork. Originally he thought it was Sikkens Cetol, but in looking further it started out with Cetol, then the PO coated the finish with clear POLYurethane. What's happening now it the finish is checking and peeling, just as poly will do when left out in the sun and rain.
I also use Helmsman Spar Urethane for my tiller. I sand it lightly each year, bleach out any water stains, then recoat with Helmsman.
Interior, I use teak oil for all the original wood (bulkheads, teak trim, cabinetry, etc) but I use wipe on polyurethane for my dinette table and the companionway stairs. I use poly in these two spots because rain water sometimes enters the companionway and my modified dinette table needs to resist wetness from iced drinks, cold beers, splashes and food.
I use several coats of rub on poly to make sure that the coating remains very light, and does not become a thick block of poly that will curl up over time.
Bruce Ross
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Captmorgan
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Response Posted - 09/04/2017 :  20:05:33  Show Profile
Looks great! That spar urethane is still a polyurethane with just a different oil to resin ratio and high amounts of UV protectors.

I used it on my tiller and it held up great 2 yrs. It did not do well on my companionway but I think I didnt let it cure long enough before water hit it. Getting it good an dry with no moisture is critical.

I was going to try the two part systems. Anyone use the interlux perfection? Any thoughts on it vs the spar

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Originally posted by Voyager

As I've mentioned quite a few times, I like Cetol for the exterior. It holds up very well for about 4 years, then I have to pull all the brightwork off the boat and sand, prep then refinish if I want good looking teak. That said, my buddy who also has a C25 in Milford Harbor had a mystery substance on his brightwork. Originally he thought it was Sikkens Cetol, but in looking further it started out with Cetol, then the PO coated the finish with clear POLYurethane. What's happening now it the finish is checking and peeling, just as poly will do when left out in the sun and rain.
I also use Helmsman Spar Urethane for my tiller. I sand it lightly each year, bleach out any water stains, then recoat with Helmsman.
Interior, I use teak oil for all the original wood (bulkheads, teak trim, cabinetry, etc) but I use wipe on polyurethane for my dinette table and the companionway stairs. I use poly in these two spots because rain water sometimes enters the companionway and my modified dinette table needs to resist wetness from iced drinks, cold beers, splashes and food.
I use several coats of rub on poly to make sure that the coating remains very light, and does not become a thick block of poly that will curl up over time.
"The Gal-Way" 1985 SR/SK Barnegat Bay, NJ

Enjoy Sailing =) Be Safe

Happy Sailing - John




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