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C25BC
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Initially Posted - 06/14/2017 :  14:56:05  Show Profile
Looking for rough idea on the length of the jib sheet length on my cdi furler , I don't have time to go out and measure it before I pick one up. I'm thinking four wraps when furled in nasty weather and led back to the factory cleats behind the winches . Also going to use a single length doubled over at the clew cringle . I'm guessing at least 60' . Any thoughts ?
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Response Posted - 06/14/2017 :  16:42:22  Show Profile  Visit HerdOfTurtles's Homepage
We disconnect the sheets and store them in the cabin when the sail is furled. We put a sail tie through the tack and around the furled sail.
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Response Posted - 06/14/2017 :  17:37:34  Show Profile
That's not a bad idea . Snap shackles at the sail for quick release ?
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Response Posted - 06/14/2017 :  18:32:29  Show Profile
I have a hard time recommending removing the sheets. A tie around the sail itself might not hold the wrap tightly as storm winds try to get under the leech--the tie could slip just enough to let the leech go loose, and then things get messy. Sheets wrapped a few times around and then tensioned at the cockpit, along with a well-secured furling line (or a pin through the drum base) should do a better job of preventing that. In a big blow, once the leech tension is lost, the sail is likely to be lost.

Another thing I don't like is a metal shackle at the clew. When the sail is flogging (for whatever reason), a shackle can become a dangerous weapon.

Curmudgeon out.
Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 06/14/2017 :  19:19:46  Show Profile
I'll pick up 70' , should do it
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Response Posted - 06/15/2017 :  03:54:23  Show Profile  Visit OLarryR's Homepage
70' should be fine. I was checking out the manuals listed on our website - There does not appear to be a diagram with sheet dimensions for pre-'88 CAT25s but for post '88 Cat 25s it lists 65' for a jib sheet and 75' for a genoa sheet. I know that on my '89, the genoa sheet length is more than enough. For reference, below is the diagram from the post '88 (not pre- '88) Cat 25s.
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Response Posted - 06/15/2017 :  04:43:15  Show Profile  Visit dasreboot's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by C25BC

That's not a bad idea . Snap shackles at the sail for quick release ?


try soft shackles. Easy to make, and they wont injure you when flogging!
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Response Posted - 06/15/2017 :  05:02:56  Show Profile
I use a 70" single line with a cow hitch into a loop spliced into a dyneema leader that I use and bowline to the clew. It does not catch anything when tacking and is easy to change sails on the furler, which I do for windy days. With that I have no hardware to hit someone if the situation arises. The dyneema leader makes it easy to attach and remove a whisker pole.
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islander
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Response Posted - 06/15/2017 :  05:55:04  Show Profile
I agree, No metal. Not only that it adds weight and scrapes across your mast and shrouds, It hurts!
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C25BC
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Response Posted - 06/15/2017 :  06:44:08  Show Profile
Right now there locked into the self tailing winches , not enuf length to go back to the cleats with two wraps , I'm assuming it's better to go back to the cleat then leave the winches under load . So Il'll be sure and get more then I need . I am getting a collection of good quality line 3' -4 ' off cuts .
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C25BC
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Response Posted - 06/15/2017 :  19:59:36  Show Profile
Just found a interesting formula online for jib / genoa sheets : 1.5 the boat length x 2 = 75'
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Response Posted - 06/16/2017 :  04:37:42  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by C25BC

I'm assuming it's better to go back to the cleat then leave the winches under load


Winches and the structure they're are attached to are designed to take a lot of loads so I wouldn't assume that.

Captain Rob & Admiral Alyson
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Response Posted - 06/16/2017 :  07:34:55  Show Profile
That soft shackle is a new one to me. Interesting.

I'll second the warning against using a snap shackle to attach the jib sheets. The previous owner of a C22 I had rigged it that way, and not only was the shackle lethal when the sail whipped around, but on two occasions it snapped itself onto a forward shroud. Not good. I chalked the first time up as a freak accident, but after the second time I switched to one continuous sheet with a cow hitch at the jib clew. Much safer.
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 06/16/2017 :  07:41:35  Show Profile
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...but after the second time I switched to one continuous sheet with a cow hitch at the jib clew. Much safer.
...and nearly impossible to untie at the end of the season! (I broke the marlin spike on my rigging knife working on one.)
Dave Bristle
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Edited by - Stinkpotter on 06/16/2017 14:12:51
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C25BC
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Response Posted - 06/16/2017 :  07:44:51  Show Profile
Yeah , I'm going with 75' of 3/8" line with the cow hitch at the clew ,picking it up this afternoon .
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Response Posted - 06/16/2017 :  07:59:42  Show Profile
Think about single-braid, like New England Regatta. It has a nice "hand", and coils and lies nicely. I really like it for sheets.
Dave Bristle
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C25BC
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Response Posted - 06/16/2017 :  09:49:16  Show Profile
I look for it , thanks .
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Voyager
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Response Posted - 06/16/2017 :  15:22:54  Show Profile
I run my sheet through the cringle twice then I tie it off with a double hitch using a light line. Weighs nothing and the knot is easy to untie at the end of the season.
Bruce Ross
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C25BC
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Response Posted - 06/18/2017 :  16:44:59  Show Profile
Ended up 75' was a bit long but works well .
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