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rbpc25
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Initially Posted - 06/26/2016 : 11:16:32

hi all
does anyone have a link to the C25 (std rig) running rigging list?
desparately need new ropes, all the way around
thanks!
Rolf in MA

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RickR
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Response Posted - 06/26/2016 : 11:54:16

http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/category/185/halyard-kits.cfm

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Response Posted - 06/26/2016 : 13:14:43

thanks, I should be able to cobble it together from that - was wondering if there was a list of all lines from a manual anyone might have? thanks!

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Response Posted - 06/26/2016 : 14:05:24

Do you have all line or line/wire? Led to the cockpit or secured at the mast? Tall or standard rig? Changing out is a good time to think seriously about going with all line if you currently have wire/line. 65' is adequate for a main secured at the mast and 70' for the jib. Add 10 feet if routed to the cockpit, and you'll need new masthead sheaves if you're converting to all line. A few extra feet is a good idea and better than coming up short.

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Response Posted - 06/26/2016 : 15:31:21

I think converting to all line is a great idea - I had a wire jam last fall, and the halyard was useless until we took down the mast - but can't swap sheaves until I lower the mast again, correct? meantime, what is the diameter of line supposed to be for these halyards? CD mentions 5/16", but it's Dyneema core - if I'm just getting a bulk bunch of line, how about 3/8" double-braid polyester, and I'll worry about converting halyards in the fall? she is a new boat to me, and lines are way past too old - thanks!

Rolf in MA
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islander
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Response Posted - 06/26/2016 : 16:40:39

I think this is what your looking for. This is from the manual and will give you line dimensions but I wouldn't go by the lengths because your boat may be set up differently than this standard Catalina 25.http://www.catalina-capri-25s.org/manbro/pictures/4-1-3.gif Low strech Double braid for your halyards but I would strongly suggest single braid for your Jib/Genoa sheets like Regatta Single Braid. Nice fuzzy outside to grip winches and easy on the hands, Very supple and won't kink or hock.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

Edited by - islander on 06/26/2016 16:59:21

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Response Posted - 06/26/2016 : 17:34:29

Scott - that's a great diagram, I've never seen that one before.
I like the New England Ropes double braid for the halyards - it really holds up great.
And I love the idea of soft lines for the sheets. Since I rarely use the winch to haul the Genoa sheets, my hands suffer on those days when I'm tacking and beating up into the wind.
I rarely mess with the main sheet unless overpowered so I don't need any special line there, but for jib, that stuff sounds fantastic!

Bruce Ross
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Port Captain � Milford, CT

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Response Posted - 06/26/2016 : 17:51:23

Bruce, I'm surprised Passage doesn't have Regatta, I know Dave usually recommends it too for the sheets but there was an owner between you two. I have the Cat25 original owners manual that has all the diagram #'s so I can find the specific one in the manuals and brochures area easily. Try the Regatta, If you don't love it I'll buy it from you as long as it's 3/8" You Can't beat that deal!

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

Edited by - islander on 06/26/2016 18:08:34

bigelowp
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Response Posted - 06/26/2016 : 18:20:09

One other option is to contact Cajun Rigging -- a Canadian company the sells on-line full rigging packages for C-25's (and other boats) I have used them and can attest to the quality of their product.

Peter Bigelow
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Response Posted - 06/26/2016 : 19:43:28

Indeed, I loved Regatta for jib/genoa sheets (on other boats), but didn't get around to switching before I sold Passage. But Bruce did get the 5/16" all-rope, Dyneema core halyards (5/16") and mast-head sheaves I replaced. My plan then was to reduce the purchase by one on the mainsheet and replace it with something smaller than 1/2", and replace the jib sheets with 3/8" Regatta. Then life took a turn... and I went over to the Dark Side.

Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 06/26/2016 19:46:38

Lee Panza
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Response Posted - 06/26/2016 : 22:33:29

I have two lengths of brand new (still in the wrapping) 7/16" Trophy Braid, and if someone's interested they can pick up a deal.

I prefer Trophy Braid over Regatta (I've used both) for a couple of reasons: one is that Regatta is so supple it seems to tangle a bit more easily; second reason is that single braid flattens between the jaw discs of self-tailers, so they don't hold as well at the low end of the range of rope sizes they are intended for (same thing with clutches). But the biggest reason is that Regatta is much more of an operation to splice (can't do simple core-to-core eyes, because there's no core). I don't like bowlines at the jib clew: they hang on the fwd. lower shrouds.

Anyway, I ordered new Antal self-tailing winches, and I bought new 7/16" sheet to go with them, but Antal had changed the design and the newer model in the size I wanted only accepts up to 3/8". So I had to order another set of sheets.

So I've got two 40' lengths: in red and green (helps keep track of which is which when there's a mess of excess on the cockpit sole). I paid $104.25 at Defender ($46. x 2 plus $12.25 shipping) this past February.

Have been meaning to put this on the Swap Meet forum but hadn't gotten around to it. So, if you're interested, Rolf, or anyone else, I'll let you have them for about half that (plus re-shipping).

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rbpc25
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Response Posted - 06/27/2016 : 16:00:15

thanks Lee, sounds fair, just getting back home after a trip - let me look over the list, and see what's what

Scott, excellent diagram, that's just what I was looking for

all: if I change to all-line for the halyards, what is the max. diameter rope that will comfortably run through the masthead? looks like CD offers 5/16 Dyneema - is that the max. diam.? I was considering ordering bulk 3/8" double-braid for most lines, including halyards - would 3/8 run easily through the masthead? I remember those slots being pretty narrow...

Rolf in MA
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Response Posted - 06/28/2016 : 17:28:18

Changing from wire to rope requires you to change the masthead sheaves. I don't think the rope will run through without changing them. Maybe someone else knows more because I never had to do it.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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rbpc25
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Response Posted - 06/28/2016 : 19:16:53

yes, I understand the sheaves will have to be swapped - but it looks like CD only offers a 5/16" sheave in their all-line kit - I am wondering if that is the actual width of the slot in the masthead, and therefore the largest diameter rope that will slide easily - so you are constrained to a narrow rope, which means Dyneema, for strength - we can't use a 3/8 or 7/16 normal double-braid polyester, for example, b/c the slot in the masthead is not wide enough - is that correct? thanks!

Rolf in MA
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tpothen
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Response Posted - 06/29/2016 : 05:13:07

I just switched to all rope halyards using the 5/16" sheaves from CD. 5/16" line seamed a little tight in the sheaves so I doubt you would be able to use anything larger.

Also there really isn't any space for wider sheaves.

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Edited by - tpothen on 06/29/2016 05:19:34

rbpc25
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Response Posted - 06/29/2016 : 09:09:48

that's what I thought I remembered - thanks!

Rolf in MA
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Response Posted - 06/30/2016 : 17:17:17

quote:
Originally posted by rbpc25

thanks Lee, sounds fair, just getting back home after a trip - let me look over the list, and see what's what

Scott, excellent diagram, that's just what I was looking for

all: if I change to all-line for the halyards, what is the max. diameter rope that will comfortably run through the masthead? looks like CD offers 5/16 Dyneema - is that the max. diam.? I was considering ordering bulk 3/8" double-braid for most lines, including halyards - would 3/8 run easily through the masthead? I remember those slots being pretty narrow...

Lee,

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