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Free Spirit
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Initially Posted - 12/08/2019 :  03:24:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is there a noticable difference changing from retractable rudder to a solid rudder?

davidtree
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Response Posted - 12/08/2019 :  15:35:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If by retractable you mean a kick up rudder?
I have had both, the old kick up rudder was great, as I sail in shallow waters.
I bought a new kick up rudder from Catalina Direct, it is about 4 to 6 inches longer or it goes deeper in the water.
With out the ability to kick, I would be unable to sail at low tide getting out!
David
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Dave Brown
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Response Posted - 12/11/2019 :  14:15:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hello Free Spirit,
not sure if you received the answer that you asked ??
we all know the draft diff. { kick up, Vs solid } is that your question ?
or was it a weather helm question that you have. ?
D B
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Free Spirit
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Response Posted - 12/14/2019 :  02:31:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You are correct. It was a solid rudder vs a kick up rudder.
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Originally posted by Dave Brown

hello Free Spirit,
not sure if you received the answer that you asked ??
we all know the draft diff. { kick up, Vs solid } is that your question ?
or was it a weather helm question that you have. ?
D B
# 411
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Dave Brown
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Response Posted - 12/14/2019 :  10:15:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have sailed with , a kick up, 1st gen long and 3 gen solid rudder.
all on the same boat, 250 wing keel. { #411 ] there was a noticeable difference between all of them.
the diff. is the amount of weather helm.
Rudder 1. lots of helm.
rudder 2. boat (sp) wallered around from side to side, still had weather helm.
rudder 3. normal feel, could even now use the autopilot. { this is what i have today, and like it.]
all the above had rigging set the same. [ stock, not mast rake Fwd. ]
but as stated in your other e mail, 200lbs. of sand up in the bow.
with all that said, i did try an old Hobie trick with my kick up
rudder. sand/file of the top fwd. part of the rudder, allowing the rudder
to kick under the boat more . took off 1/2 to 3/4" of material.
If you do this,only take a little off at a time 1/4". it works, and you will notice a diff.
when you get to the correct amount removed.
any Q ?
hope this helps.
DB

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RockB
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Response Posted - 01/01/2020 :  19:18:14  Show Profile  Visit RockB's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If you decide you want to go to a solid rudder let me know. I have what I assume is a 1st gen solid rudder ('79 C25) and really need a kick up due to the shallow area I dock the boat. I have to pull the rudder off to get in. Maybe we can work something out.
Bill
1979 Catalina 25 SK #936
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 01/01/2020 :  21:20:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RockB

If you decide you want to go to a solid rudder let me know. I have what I assume is a 1st gen solid rudder ('79 C25) and really need a kick up due to the shallow area I dock the boat. I have to pull the rudder off to get in. Maybe we can work something out.
The C-250 rudders and their generations have little if any relationship to the C-25. These are totally different boats, with different transoms and sail-plan/keel dynamics. Catalina went through several rudder "generations" to improve C-250 handling issues it didn't have with the C-25 because of the different boat design.
Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge
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RockB
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Response Posted - 01/02/2020 :  07:49:58  Show Profile  Visit RockB's Homepage  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Stinkpotter
The C-250 rudders and their generations have little if any relationship to the C-25. These are totally different boats, with different transoms and sail-plan/keel dynamics. Catalina went through several rudder "generations" to improve C-250 handling issues it didn't have with the C-25 because of the different boat design.


Copy all. Thank you.
Bill
1979 Catalina 25 SK #936
Panama City, FL
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