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GaryB
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Initially Posted - 05/13/2019 :  20:34:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anyone have a tiller in good shape they might want to sell that fits a C25?


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GaryB
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Response Posted - 05/14/2019 :  13:05:16  Show Profile  Visit Peregrine's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I was going to suggest buying a new one till I saw the price. I bought mine many years ago and keep it covered with a sunbrella cover. It also lives indoors during the winter.
I guess it is worth the price of buying a good cover when new tillers cost $137 !!
https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?name=rudder-craft-varnished-sailboat-tiller-model-a&path=-1|118|2331343|2331344&id=2438438


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GaryB
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Response Posted - 05/14/2019 :  18:23:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had a beautiful tiller that Derek Crawford sold me several years ago. He had shortened it for use on This Side Up. I've had a nice cover on it since I bought it. Sometime during the winter someone decided they needed the tiller cover more than I did and the tiller was totally exposed and has now started delaminating!

Probably the same jerk that stole one of the bows off my bimini!


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GaryB
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islander
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Response Posted - 05/15/2019 :  03:24:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gary, I Know that feeling having my Honda stolen last year. It sucks.

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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GaryB
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Response Posted - 05/17/2019 :  16:53:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have the original tiller that came with my boat. I had relaminated it several years ago.

Problem is... I can't find it!!! :(

I'm going to check my boat stall this weekend (only place I haven't checked) and if I cannot find it I'll let you know. What are you asking for them?

Just noticed our boats are only 16 apart!


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GaryB
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Edited by - GaryB on 05/17/2019 16:55:03
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 05/17/2019 :  19:40:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Before you give up on the new market (WM and CD for example), take a look at Defender's offering. I suspect they all come from the same place or are essentially equivalent.

Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, ex-OUPV
Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing when I can).

Passage, Mystic, and Sarge--click to enlarge.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 05/17/2019 19:42:30
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GaryB
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Response Posted - 05/18/2019 :  06:30:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the Defender tip Peregrine and Dave!

Still hoping to find my old one. I guess I could re-laminate the one currently on the boat too.


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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 05/18/2019 :  10:02:35  Show Profile  Visit Leon Sisson's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If you're willing and able to do some of the shaping for a new tiller, just not the laminating, there are pre-laminated tiller blanks available in a variety of profiles from I think Duckworks and Defender.

I bought one (from Duckworks as I recall), and the workmanship is flawless (at least until I start hacking away at it).

[https://www.duckworks.com/product-p/rcr-parent.htm]

$60 laminated blank vs. $140 finished tiller.

[https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?id=2438438]

Also, some of the original Catalina 22 and 25 tillers were sawn from a single plank, as opposed to laminated. Maybe not quite as strong, but could be more affordable, depending upon wood species and lumber source you choose.

Edited to add links.

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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 05/18/2019 :  10:02:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hah! I didn't notice the link in John's post.

Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, ex-OUPV
Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing when I can).

Passage, Mystic, and Sarge--click to enlarge.
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Response Posted - 05/19/2019 :  08:13:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Leon Sisson

...Also, some of the original Catalina 22 and 25 tillers were sawn from a single plank, as opposed to laminated. Maybe not quite as strong, but could be more affordable, depending upon wood species and lumber source you choose...
A single board should work if you don't try to replicate the "S" curve of the original. If you do, you'll likely end up with the grain crossing somewhere in a way that would be just waiting to snap under some unexpected downward pressure. That's the reason for the laminated approach.

Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, ex-OUPV
Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing when I can).

Passage, Mystic, and Sarge--click to enlarge.
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bigelowp
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Response Posted - 05/19/2019 :  12:59:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Also check out Ruddercraft -- besides rudders they make tillers and provide options for finish (unfinished/varnish/epoxy) and are less expensive

Peter Bigelow
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Voyager
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Response Posted - 05/28/2019 :  07:36:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On my 16 foot Day Sailor I needed to replace the tiller so I had some oak 1-by in the basement. I needed a finished thickness of 1-3/4” so I traced out the tiller cross section shape on the board twice. One time up side up and the next upside down. I rough cut the profile with my saber saw. I noticed that the grain did not overlap in the same directions but at obtuse angles to one another. I glued and clamped them together to get the required thickness, then once cured, I sanded the blank down into the smoothed-out shape.

When I got Passage I gave my son and his family the Day Sailor. The tiller has been working fine for my son for years.

If I used the same technique for a C-25 spare tiller, I’d probably use three or four thicknesses of oak, or maybe mix it up with another hardwood species. In between layers you could even glue in some carbon fiber fabric. Because the grain would not overlap I believe this configuration would be very strong and easy to fabricate using shop tools.

Bruce Ross
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 05/28/2019 :  18:00:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When you combine the width you need at the rudder head with the height you need for the curve of the handle and the issue of cross-grain weakening any point, solid wood—even two pieces laminated together—is going to be a challenging material. Bending multiple laminations solves it—the commercial tillers don't do that just for show. My daysailer had a solid ash tiller—but it had no S-curve, and it steered a 700 lb. boat with a modest sailplan.

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic, CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, ex-OUPV
Now on Eastern 27 Sarge (but still sailing when I can).

Passage, Mystic, and Sarge--click to enlarge.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 05/28/2019 18:32:37
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GaryB
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Response Posted - 05/30/2019 :  20:44:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If I don't find my re-glued tiller in the next week I'll buy a new one vs spending the time building a new one. I don't have the patience to build one. :(

Thanks again everyone for your comments and suggestions.


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GaryB
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