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Gunner
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Initially Posted - 04/26/2019 :  18:42:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi everyone,

I just picked up my first real boat last summer here in Kingston, Ontario. It's an '86 Catalina 25, hull #5309. It has a fixed keel, inboard diesel, roller furling Genoa, and fresh sails. I couldn't be happier with the purchase and I feel like I stole it from the previous owner considering how good of shape it's in and the price I paid. We (my wife and two-year-old son) probably spent 30+ afternoons out on Lake Ontario and the Thousand Islands last year and just as many in the marina tinkering around.

I've got about a million questions about the boat, so I imagine I'll be asking more on here in the near future. But for now, can anyone tell me their best guess on why a previous owner may have installed cam-cleats in this location outside of the aft cockpit? I've got one on both sides and they don't seem to be in line with anything.





Thank you all for your time!

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Response Posted - 04/26/2019 :  23:09:36  Show Profile  Visit Leon Sisson's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Maybe part of lashing the tiller? On boats without a real autopilot, I've resorted to various jury rigs to get the boat to hold course long enough for me to grab or do something out of reach from the helm. I usually settle for tying a line to whatever is already available - stern docking cleats, stanchions, etc. Port & stbd cam cleats would be quite a luxury by comparison, and a lot less expensive than an autopilot.
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islander
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Response Posted - 04/27/2019 :  07:06:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Due to it's location and being oriented for a line to lock in feeding into the cockpit I would tend to agree that it was part of a tiller lashing system. Also welcome to the best forum for questions about your boat. Not that we are experts but we try so ask away!
Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound


Edited by - islander on 04/27/2019 07:11:53
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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 04/27/2019 :  08:19:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If there's one of those on both sides, I'd guess that it's the spinnaker sheet cleat. Unless the jaws are backward for this.
Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839
Edited by - Bill Holcomb on 04/27/2019 08:23:00
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 04/27/2019 :  08:46:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wonder about its position for restraining the tiller--why not on top of the coaming rather than on the outside? The jaws appear to be set for a line coming down, with the tail toward the deck, so it could be for the tiller, although tensioning a line over the edge of the coaming could be a little hard on the gelcoat on that edge--I would add a little strake there if that were the purpose.

What is the nylon bracket on the deck for--it appears rather far back to be for a bimini (given the C-25's mainsheet)... Could the cam cleats be related to whatever the bracket is for?

Nice job on the teak, BTW.
Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
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Gunner
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Response Posted - 04/28/2019 :  16:50:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the input guys! I was also initially thinking it would be for the tiller, however running a line over that combing would be a quick way to rub the gelcoat raw. Also.. the boat is actually equipped with some "tiller-stays" mounted on the aft cockpit seats as shown here:



I think Stinkypot may be onto something; I also don't know what those nylon things are for and assumed maybe an old bimini. Either way I think that if these cam-cleats don't have an obvious purpose I'm going to remove them and put them to use some place else- maybe for a spinnaker pendant run to the cockpit or something?

Cheers.

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Leon Sisson
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Response Posted - 04/28/2019 :  17:31:55  Show Profile  Visit Leon Sisson's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Some biminis have struts on place of straps, which might explain what looks like bimini mounts too far aft.
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islander
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Response Posted - 04/28/2019 :  17:44:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Boy those must be a real joy to sit on.
Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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OLarryR
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Response Posted - 04/29/2019 :  03:40:51  Show Profile  Visit OLarryR's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I doubt the cam cleats are for tiller control for same reasons others have stated. My '89 has slightly different set up but it looks like those cam cleats would not be aft enough for the tiller control. Besides, as you indicated in the addl photo, the PO had those fittings mounted on the aft end of the seats for the tiller control.

It's usually just me sailing and so when I leave the marina and about to hoist the main while the outboard is running, I steady the tiller by using the furling line on the port side, wrap it a few turns around the end f the tiller and then put a few turns of the furling line on the starboard cleat. I also do this when I am in the finger slip and leave for the day - Keeps the tiller from swaying and making any noise. You can just make it out in the photo, below:
Larry
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islander
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Response Posted - 04/29/2019 :  05:46:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote][I doubt the cam cleats are for tiller control for same reasons others have stated. My '89 has slightly different set up but it looks like those cam cleats would not be aft enough for the tiller control./quote]

Larry the photo is a little misleading of the placement of the cam cleats. They are in the area of the red dot just aft of the cleat. Still would be an odd set up. Probably spent more on the cleats than a tiller tamer would cost.
Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound


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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 04/29/2019 :  06:55:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Leon Sisson

Some biminis have struts on place of straps, which might explain what looks like bimini mounts too far aft.
True--I used telescoping struts on mine, with anchors near the bases of the stern-rail. But the cam cleats....
Dave Bristle
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Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge
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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 04/29/2019 :  07:16:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
'Any chance it could be where the PO attached an anchor riding sail?
Buzz Maring

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Voyager
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Response Posted - 04/29/2019 :  14:58:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Would they hold onto the fenders? Or do the cleats point the wrong way for fender lines?
Bruce Ross
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Stinkpotter
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Response Posted - 04/30/2019 :  07:02:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Voyager

Would they hold onto the fenders? Or do the cleats point the wrong way for fender lines?
Wrong way--unless the fender is hung over the stern-rail.
Dave Bristle
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PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
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