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oldengineer1949
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Initially Posted - 08/21/2017 : 11:40:00

Sheesh! Maybe the Pacific Fleet CO needs to call a Safety Standown Day for all ships! Are they still using Watchstanders? AIS? Surface RADAR?

http://wtop.com/asia/2017/08/10-sailors-missing-in-collision-between-us-warship-tanker/

WT-, over?

Al and Bernadette, "Pualani Nui", '82 C25 SR/SK, homeport MCB Quantico

Edited by - oldengineer1949 on 08/21/2017 12:02:41

islander
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Response Posted - 08/21/2017 : 15:00:08

Can't say I ran into or had anybody run into me ever and I don't have anything close to the electronics they have. Makes you scratch your head huh?

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
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Response Posted - 08/21/2017 : 18:11:16

This always has people questioning "right-of-way" (a misnomer) and rules of the road... On that basis alone, as I recall seeing it, both USN ships were hit on their starboard sides, which alone is virtually three strikes against them. But there's more... The most fundamental rule is that, in the final analysis, both vessels are responsible for dong whatever is necessary to avoid collision. That's a much bigger challenge for a supertanker or a container ship than for a destroyer--the supposed hot-rod of ocean-going ships. But two USN destroyers have recently been t-boned by those much larger ships they apparently tried to cross, and USN lives have been lost.

Once is a tragedy worthy of close evaluation... Twice, in a short period of time, is something else.

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 08/21/2017 19:03:35

dasreboot
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Response Posted - 08/23/2017 : 06:38:25

I was reading a thread on reddit by navy crewmen saying that it is an problem that most watch standers are getting by on 3 hours sleep a day. could have something to do with it.

Todd Lewis
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Response Posted - 08/23/2017 : 10:43:39

One would think it should be a fairly simple task for the crew of a US navy vessel, given the electronics on those ships, to plot the course of an approaching tanker or container ship and steer a course well clear of that commercial vessel. Am I missing something?

DavidP
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Response Posted - 08/23/2017 : 11:34:58

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Originally posted by oldengineer1949

Sheesh!

WT-, over?

Standard opperation procedures, systems normal all F'ed up. SNAFU or worse... FUBAR.

Frank Hopper

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Response Posted - 08/23/2017 : 12:04:56

When you look at the capabilities of the new solid-state (non-rotating) broadband radars for recreational vessels, it's hard to imagine the Navy having any less, but... The new units, using a tiny fraction of the power and radiation of the "old" pulse systems, can recognize a plastic kayak close to the boat, and determine relative differences in sizes of targets 30 miles away. Some will change the color of the target on the screen based on the rate at which it is closing on you (green to red) or you're closing on it. Alarms can be set... This is affordable, recreational stuff!

Something went very wrong.

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

dasreboot
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Response Posted - 08/24/2017 : 04:12:39

navy destroyer was crossing a traffic seperation scheme!

http://gcaptain.com/uss-john-s-mccain-collision-ais-animation-shows-tankers-track-during-collision/

so everyone on the destroyer bridge failed.

Todd Lewis
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ARWEN 84 TR/SK C25 #4031
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Edited by - dasreboot on 08/24/2017 04:12:54

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