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Boomeroo
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Initially Posted - 01/01/2017 : 20:24:51

Hi, I have removed the full width main sheet track to allow the tiller to be raised out of the cockpit . A big improvement to cockpit when at anchor . However the rudder moves around with each small wave . The tiller is now up beside the back stay . I have previously tied the tiller off in its normal position but with the tiller almost vertical it looses its lever advantage to hold the rudder still.
Any ideas ??

Graeme Bishop boomeroo Australia
C25 SK

sethp001
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Response Posted - 01/01/2017 : 21:22:12

Yes - when you raise the tiller, tie the forward end of tiller to the backstay. You can make a pigtail from some extra line, tied to the backstay, with a loop on the other end for the tiller.

Seth
"Outlier" 1987 Catalina 25 SR/SK/Traditional Interior #5541
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"Nomad" 1980 Prindle 16
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Response Posted - 01/01/2017 : 22:47:27

Or just leave the tiller at it's normal angle and swing all the way to one side then tie off to the nearest stanchion.

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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 01/02/2017 : 09:15:23

I used to harden the mainsheet, and then tie the tiller to the sheet and hang the coiled sheet over the end of the tiller. That seemed to give it enough angle to minimize motion. (It wiggled a little...) But I didn't have to remove the traveler bar (which I assume you're referring to as the "mainsheet track").

Here the sheet and the tiller bridle aren't as tight as they could be...

Where are you attaching the mainsheet block with the traveler gone, and how does that affect the tiller under way?

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 01/02/2017 09:16:44

Boomeroo
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Response Posted - 01/02/2017 : 11:01:54

Thanks for the comments. The mainsheet track was attached from gunnel to gunnel , full width onto the fifreglass that is about 4in lower than the standard . so tiller only raised a few inch's . the mainsheet has a snap shackle and goes fully out of the way.and with the tiller vertical I can walk the extra few feet to the stern . great at anchor ,fishing ,shower,getting a bucket of water and full access to those stern lockers ,etc . but rudder shake is annoying.
Mainsheet track will be a cable full width similar to a laser but with a positioning rope each side.
I will try and get a photo.
Plan is to have a piece of wood to slide between stern and rudder ,with a block of wood each side of rudder .

Graeme Bishop boomeroo Australia
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Response Posted - 01/02/2017 : 18:29:06

Your solution is what I was just going to suggest.

Dave B. aboard Pearl
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dasreboot
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Response Posted - 01/03/2017 : 08:07:17

i removed the rear traveler as well. also makes it much easier when changing sides when guests are aboard. I tie it to the side when i leave the boat. have thought about some kind of outboard lock when at anchor, but have not needed it yet.

Todd Lewis
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Boomeroo
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Response Posted - 01/04/2017 : 23:15:08

I copied this photo from an earlier post . not sure it will work.
it shows the mainsail track . not sure how they bolted it on because extremely /impossible to access nuts especially on the bunk side that's why I cut just the centre section
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47a4db35b3127ccef6497c8ec1c700000040O00CcsmTlqzcMwe3nwU/cC/f%3D0/ls%3D00308359220920140515041518072.JPG/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D550/ry%3D400/
Thanks for the comments

Graeme Bishop boomeroo Australia
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 01/05/2017 : 06:58:42

Originally posted by Boomeroo
I copied this photo from an earlier post . not sure it will work.
it shows the mainsail track . not sure how they bolted it on because extremely /impossible to access nuts especially on the bunk side that's why I cut just the centre section

Thanks for the comments

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

islander
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Response Posted - 01/05/2017 : 07:24:50

Possibly screws?

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 01/05/2017 : 15:34:12

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Originally posted by islander

Possibly screws?

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

islander
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Response Posted - 01/05/2017 : 16:28:31

I know Dave, But there are many of them and I remember Bruce said his stern pulpit was screwed in along the top of the transom but was bolted on the side stanchions. I just don't know if it's possible to back bolt all of the screws in that area. Maybe a combination of screws and bolts?

Scott-"IMPULSE"87'C25/SR/WK/Din.#5688
Sailing out of Glen Cove,L.I Sound

Edited by - islander on 01/05/2017 16:30:43

Boomeroo
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Response Posted - 01/08/2017 : 04:45:00

Yes all bolts with nuts that are extremely hard or impossible to get to. I used an endescope to position a socket onto one nut but rest were unreachable
I presume the track was fitted before deck joined.
my next try will be a SS strap from the rudder (tiller bolt hole )to the backstay bracket shown just out from the tiller cut-out..

Graeme Bishop boomeroo Australia
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Djibouti
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Response Posted - 01/09/2017 : 08:56:10

I seriously doubt Catalina built any C-25s in the USA with that kind of traveler--for one thing, it's class-illegal. Was that boat built in Australia? The top of the transom is part of the deck molding. If the track was mounted before the deck was joined to the hull, the nuts would be inside the joint--if so, it would seem the bolts could be turned out of them. Might somebody have used some sort of toggle bolt? If so, you should be able to turn them out, although it might require some upward pull to keep the toggle seated underneath...

Very mysterious.

Dave Bristle
Association "Port Captain" for Mystic/Stonington CT
PO of 1985 C-25 SR/FK #5032 Passage, USCG "sixpack" (expired),
Now on Eastern 27 $+!nkp*+ Sarge

Boomeroo
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Response Posted - 01/13/2017 : 17:02:05

Thanks but not so mysterious . The Catalina 25 was fully inported to Australia and then manufactured from catalina molds and specification in Australia and called a boomeroo for about 10 yrs then reverted to importing them . The traveller is mounted across where the standard traveller is and as catalina 25 owners with loose travellers have found access holes need to be cut to fix that problem . I would have to cut many holes to access the full width style .
Legal with stops to restrict travel when class racing ,which stopped about 15 years ago .
Not sure how catalina tightened nuts on traveller bar .
lots of early discussion on travel bar loose problems ..
But back to how to stop rudder movement when tiller raised .
will keep experimenting. Bit hot here with heat wave to visit boat..

Graeme Bishop boomeroo Australia
C25 SK

Sailynn
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Response Posted - 01/22/2017 : 22:16:43

remove aft tiller attachment bolt from rudder and set tiller aside. using the hole for tiller bolt, take a piece of line with a stopper knot on one end and feed line through hole in top of rudder. pull line taught to one side and rudder will swing as far as it can go. then tie off line taught to aft cleat.

Lynn Buchanan
1988 C25 SR/WK #5777
Sailynn
Nevada City, CA

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 01/23/2017 : 11:10:55

I like the line with stopper knot idea. Just thinking out loud, if you are going to remove the tiller from the rudder anyway, would it be possible to make a U-shaped tool out of a piece of 2x6 or 2x8 board that would slide down over the rudder and keep it from swinging at anchor? A piece of carpet glued or stapled to the bottom of the U would protect the transom. If the bottom of the U needs to be real thin to clear the rubrail, then a rubber doorstop could be wedged in between the rudder and the wood.

DavidP
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PO of 1984 C-25 SK/TR #4142 "Recess"
Percy Priest Yacht Club, Hamilton Creek Marina, Nashville, TN

Sailynn
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Response Posted - 01/23/2017 : 23:33:06

DavidP your idea would work. Using a rope is just my version of being a stingy sailor.

Lynn Buchanan
1988 C25 SR/WK #5777
Sailynn
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