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wingman
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Initially Posted - 04/22/2014 : 11:26:13

I am planning a furling genoa purchase for my C25 TR. I have a hank on 150 now and I was thinking about getting a 135 furling (based on Forum input). After reading many posts on furling genoa selection along with some pro and cons stated, a wierd thought came to me. (Promted by one where it appears one guy has been (unknowingly) happily sailing a genoa designed for the std rig on his tall rig. What if I purchased a 150 designed for a std rig for my tall rig instead of the TR 135? The luff is 1.5' shorter and this will allow for better visibility; the foot is 1.5' longer. The std rig 150 is a little more square feet than the TR 135. I am a daysailer and not overly concerned with loosing a little performance. Is this crazy or what?? Thanks for your input!

Moved to C-25 Forum where you'll get more responses.

Jim Bebak
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OJ
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Response Posted - 04/22/2014 : 15:57:22

Hi Jim and welcome.

I suggest you change your user name to something other than your e-mail address - else you may well receive unwanted spam.

I guess I view your question in the long term. How would this odd selection affect resale down the road?

Are you a racer? How would this affect your rating?

Edited by - OJ on 04/22/2014 16:03:44

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Response Posted - 04/22/2014 : 18:57:54

I have a friend here at my club using a std genny on his tall rig furler and while it was a purchase of convenience he has been happy with it and the visibility is good as long as you put a ped
ant at the tack. If the price is right buy it... it will not be your last sail purchase.
It is good to hear you have been reading the forum for info. When I joined way back when I read about a year's worth of postings before I posted anything, it was great reading and it helps you recognize the "voices" of the forum and pickup on who thinks like you do and who doesn't. A lot of my mentors are no longer on the forum but some of the best still are.

Edited by - pastmember on 04/23/2014 15:30:04

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Response Posted - 04/23/2014 : 05:17:09

I use a pendant on my hank on 110 which keeps it higher to see under and love it.
Always like seeing ahead of me on a crowded lake.
Can't comment on roller, haven't used one on this boat.
Anyhoo.. sounds like a plan to me.

Oh.. and can't you see under the tall rig RF sail with it not fully extended, which is a common way to sail?

and as others suggested, as long as you're not gonna race....

Edited by - redeye on 04/23/2014 05:21:59

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Response Posted - 04/23/2014 : 10:03:35

Standard rig 150% genoa on a tall rig will give you the sail area of about a 130% genoa on the tall rig, but all of the hassles of tacking a big genoa and getting it around the shrouds and mast.

If you are a day sailor and don't care about performance I'd just get a 110% jib cut for your forestay length. You'll give up some sailing performance in light air, but get better tacking angles (the smaller sail can be pulled in closer to the centerline), easier handling, and better visibility.

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Response Posted - 04/24/2014 : 03:34:59

This is probably not the right thing to do but when I am on a lake crowded with boats I do not unfurl my 150 all the way so I can see under it. Next jib will be a lighter weight 135. A 135 SR sail on a TR w/pendant makes good sense to me if your are not a racer.

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Response Posted - 04/24/2014 : 05:16:12

I assume you're sailing on eastern Lake Erie--good westerlies and huge fetch! I tend to agree with Alex and Howard (above)--as a daysailor/cruiser on my SR C-25, I never felt a desire for a bigger headsail than my furling 130. 150+ is a performance maximizer that you'll probably end up keeping partially furled for comfortable sailing, and a partially-furled anything has a higher foot and clew, as well as sub-optimal shape. Add to that the sail not being designed for the boat, and you'll have something that looks a little odd (if that matters to you). I'd go with the SR 130-135 that you'll more likely fly fully deployed, and which will be easier to handle. It will also perform more naturally under genny alone than will a 110, and you might come to appreciate genny-alone sailing in your area.

I would also suspect, in your area, you'll often want to reef the main, which gives you approximately a standard rig main. If you don't have it, you might find a second reef to be a worthwhile addition.

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 04/24/2014 05:37:18

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Response Posted - 04/24/2014 : 09:08:21

I appreciate all the great input on my question! (I also got my username changed per the recommendation.) I Should have mentioned that I do have the hank-on 110 & storm jibs in addition to the 150. I am planning on a furling conversion at the strong and persistant urgings of my first mate (wife). I am looking at an old Schaefer free-furler with cable in luff of (included) sail this weekend. We need to measure it, if it fits, and is in decent shape it may be an inexpensive ($300) interim solution. If not, I'll probably order a new CDI and new TR 135. (Does not seem worth the money to modify my current 150 for furling when I can get new with all the needed features and proper cut for 300-400 more.)

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Response Posted - 04/24/2014 : 09:57:06

The CDI furlers have the major downside that they make it very difficult to get good luff tension. I'd recommend something better that uses your existing halyard instead of an integrated one.

Can that old Schaefer furler reef, or only do a full furl? Usually furlers of that type can't do any reefing.

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Response Posted - 04/24/2014 : 13:57:51

The Schaefer free-furler is not designed for reefing, only complete furling. I heard that it may allow reefing on some level but with limitations......I don't know if that is true.

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Response Posted - 04/24/2014 : 15:22:55

A whole lotta people are satisfied with their CDIs. They are factory equipment from various manufacturers including Catalina. I don't know about prices, so don't know what I'd choose in today's market, but for a non-racer, CDI is apparently a cost-effective solution. (And it leaves a spare halyard for a drifter, asymmetric, or whatever.) I didn't have one, and I am not an investor...

Edited by - Stinkpotter on 04/24/2014 15:25:25

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Response Posted - 04/24/2014 : 21:51:46

I know that they are a common budget solution. The downsides of them are rarely mentioned and are significant, which is why I brought them up. Wingman or other shoppers may read those downsides and still choose to go with the CDI furler.

The halyard setup on the CDI furler makes it difficult to get sufficient halyard tension for good sail performance in higher winds. It also makes it very difficult to change sails.

The design does allow them to save money on an expensive part (the upper swivel), and so it is cheaper than other furlers.

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Response Posted - 04/25/2014 : 04:33:23

<< changed my name >>

and a great name at that....wingman.. that's a hoot.

I've got a drifter with a wire in the luff ( Is that how you say it? )

anyhoo... I drop the hank on jib and leave it there at the tack.

I drop the main and tie it up and make a downwind run on the drifter alone.

Pull the sheets from the winches and the track blocks.

I've added cleats in the area next to the track blocks and I cleat the jib sheets there.

Run the drifter sheets through to the track blocks and winches and raise the drifter.

Like surfing ... for winds below 15.

Found the drifter used on the web, a bit heavier sail than a spinn so it will handle heavier winds.

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