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dmpilc
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Initially Posted - 06/27/2010 : 12:22:32

Need to rent a trailer to move a C-25 or do a brief haul-out? I have a Trail Rite tandem axle trailer for a C-25 fin keel (or swinger) and am available to assist with a boat move or brief haul-out, not a long distance haul. You provide the tow vehicle, and I bring the trailer and myself to help.(My tow car isan Isuzu Trooper and will not handle a C-25). Trailer takes a 2" ball. I just finished with a local haul-out this week for a fellow club member.

I'm still working out a fair rate schedule that will include a daily/weekly rate for the trailer and charges to cover transportation & meals, lodging if necessary, and a nominal charge for my time. My range will be within a day's drive of Nashville, TN. I'm available week days and some weekends, but not July 4 weekend due to family obligations.

EDIT: Here are the rates we've decided on.
Trailer rental - $40/day, $250/week
Travel expenses (meals, lodging, etc.) - actual cost
My time - $120/day
Trailer delivery to/from boat - Local (up to 100 miles) $60, each add'l 50 miles $25.

I have no idea if these rates are high or reasonable. I'm unemployed (temporarily?) and I'm hoping to make a few bucks and defray the cost of the trailer.

Pics added 6/30/10:

DavidP
1975 C-22 SK #5459 "Shadowfax" Fleet 52
PO of 1984 C-25 SK/TR #4142 "Recess"
Percy Priest Yacht Club, Hamilton Creek Marina, Nashville, TN

Edited by - dmpilc on 06/30/2010 09:43:18

OJ
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Response Posted - 06/27/2010 : 17:01:18

FWIW, that's the first C25 Trail-Rite trailer I've heard of that has a 2" ball instead of a 2 5/16" ball.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/27/2010 : 18:32:16

The original coupler was in bad shape and replaced by the guy who sold the trailer to me as part of the sale. Since purchasing it a little over a year ago I've also replaced the tires and wheels, keel guide boards and carpeting.

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Response Posted - 06/27/2010 : 18:42:49

2" couplers are normally rated only up to around 6000 lb's.

The other thing you need to keep in mind is the ball. You really should have a 2 5/16" ball with a 1" shank. If you have a 2" ball with a 3/4" and possibly even a 1" shank you are an accident waiting to happen. 2" balls are rated for no more than 6000 lb's - most are rated for only 5000 lb's.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/27/2010 : 20:00:20

I'll get it checked out.
Edit: Checked the label on the trailer, called Trail Rite, and I've been online looking at actuators. The guy at Trail Rite said they made trailers for the Catalina 25 for about 4 years, rated at 10,000 lbs.
Our trailer is also rated to 10,000 having 2 x 5,000 axles. However, the replacement actuator is an Atwood 82543 which is in fact rated for up to 6,000 lbs., so I agree that's a limiting factor.
I also found that Atwood has an actuator, #83010, rated to 8,000 using a 2" ball. A 2" ball with a 1" shaft is rated to 7,500 lbs. That should be more than sufficient.
I'm going to call my local trailer/front end shop tomorrow and talk to them about arranging a change-out to the 8,000 lb actuator and get the larger receiver and ball.
Then maybe I won't have to scrap the project.

EDIT: 7/5/10 Correction 2 x 3500 lb axles, I read the label wrong.
Trailer is at the shop and the 8,000 lb actuator has been ordered.

Edited by - dmpilc on 07/06/2010 09:47:27

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Response Posted - 06/29/2010 : 06:39:19

I highly recommend one of these triple ball trailer hitches (harbor freight has them on sale for $29).

http://www.harborfreight.com/triple-ball-trailer-hitch-94141.html

A triple ball hitch means you never have to worry that you brought the wrong ball.

Another side benefit was a hint given me by a body shop mechanic: always leave the hitch mounted to your tow vehicle in case you are rear-ended.

The day after I got that advice, I was parked at a theater and got rear-ended by a truck. The truck's bumper, grill, and radiator were a total loss. My suburban was unscathed. I simply pulled forward to remove my hitch from his truck's innards, and went happily on my way :)

I wonder if I should mount a couple of these to my hull...

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Response Posted - 06/29/2010 : 08:32:17

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 . . . I'm going to call my local trailer/front end shop tomorrow and talk to them about arranging a change-out to the 8,000 lb actuator and get the larger receiver and ball . . . <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">
Good for you - good follow-up. A couple of years ago near Pittsburgh there was a tree chipper that came unhitched from the tow vehicle and hit a car head-on, killing a father and two small children and injuring a third child. Clearly a case where the guy towing the chipper was neglectful. No matter the cause - we're all dealing with too much weight with a C25 to take any chances.

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Response Posted - 06/29/2010 : 09:02:30

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by OJ
 ...we're all dealing with too much weight with a C25 to take any chances.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">Word!

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/29/2010 : 09:53:26

I can't get into the trailer shop today so I took the trailer to the scales to get an empty weight. With me and a few tools the 2000 Isuzu Trooper weighs about 4700 lbs. (too bad it doesn't have a V8 engine). The trailer, empty with 1 spare tire, weighs 1480 lbs. Add a conservative 4500 for boat and motor and we're looking at 6000 lbs. easy. So the current actuator would be at the max limit, probably ok for a yard haul-out or a very short trip to a shop, but not a long trip on the freeway. I'm definitely going to change out the actuator.

Edited by - dmpilc on 06/29/2010 09:57:51

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Response Posted - 06/29/2010 : 19:05:50

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 ...the 2000 Isuzu Trooper weighs about 4700 lbs. (too bad it doesn't have a V8 engine)...
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I think your maximum rated towing capacity for this vehicle is 5000 lbs. So upgrading your add-ons might not be sufficient.

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Response Posted - 06/29/2010 : 20:26:01

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 
I have no idea if these rates are high or reasonable. I'm unemployed (temporarily?) and I'm hoping to make a few bucks and defray the cost of the trailer.

<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

So what kind of opportunity are you hoping to find? Its good to see you helping yourself with this project, but maybe folks around here know of other opportunities that could work out for you in the long run...

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Response Posted - 06/29/2010 : 20:30:54

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by RhythmDoctor
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by dmpilc
 ...the 2000 Isuzu Trooper weighs about 4700 lbs. (too bad it doesn't have a V8 engine)...
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I think your maximum rated towing capacity for this vehicle is 5000 lbs. So upgrading your add-ons might not be sufficient.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">...which is why he said "You provide the tow vehicle..." He's towing the trailer to you empty.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 06/29/2010 : 20:37:25

RythmDoctor - look at my original post, I'm not planning to tow a boat and trailer with the Trooper, just deliver the trailer; the boat owner wanting the use of our trailer will need to supply the tow vehicle.

Prospector, I'm a CPA whose last position was Controller of a small company. I hope to find another position in accounting management of a small company, not necessarily a bank. I've signed up with a few search firms here, but the market is very tight.

Edit: Pics added 6/30/10 to original post.

Edited by - dmpilc on 06/30/2010 09:44:11

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 07/06/2010 : 09:55:22

Trailer is at the shop and an 8,000 lb actuator has been ordered. Also getting a quick disconnect added to the brake line so we can use the tongue extension. I also have a 30' strap so we'll be able to use the tongue extension or strap. Should be available for duty next week.

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Response Posted - 07/08/2010 : 10:38:23

Hey David
When I bought my Ericson 32 a couple of years ago, the going rate for a commercial hauler was 4 bucks a mile. that included all his expenses and his own way back. So for the 700 miles it was 2800 bucks.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 07/08/2010 : 15:24:56

Thanks, that's a great help, gives me another pricing option. I should be able to beat that easily.

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 07/12/2010 : 19:49:57

I'm hoping to get the trailer back from the shop tomorrow, with the new actuator/coupler rated at 8,000 lbs. The actuator arrived a day late. I've also added to my equipment bag a new 2" ball and ball mount, both rated at 7,500 lbs.
http://www.thehitchstore.com/class-3-ball-mount-10-14-length-2-drop-p-1236.html

http://www.thehitchstore.com/2-chrome-hitch-ball-7500-lb-gtw-p-1203.html

Edited by - dmpilc on 07/13/2010 05:16:55

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 07/13/2010 : 05:22:01

If you want an exercise in hitch ball strength confusion, take a walk through the list in the link below. You'll see 2" balls with a range of GTW ratings. There is a class IV 2" ball with a 1" shaft rated to 12,000 lbs. That one really surprised me!

http://www.thehitchstore.com/hitch-accessories-hitch-balls-c-29_32.html

Edited by - dmpilc on 07/13/2010 05:24:36

dmpilc
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Response Posted - 07/15/2010 : 11:22:06

I've got the trailer back from the shop and it's ready to go to work.
If you need me to provide the tow vehicle, I might be able to do that, depending on availability, but the cost will be passed through.

Edited by - dmpilc on 07/17/2010 09:34:19

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Response Posted - 07/17/2010 : 16:13:43

David, if your experience with this matches my experience with cradle hauling, you will find yourself busy spring and fall, but quiet in between.

Good luck in this little side-venture!

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 09/01/2010 : 08:53:30

Anybody in NC need to haul out due to the storm? I can be there tomorrow with the trailer. You provide the tow vehicle.

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Response Posted - 09/01/2010 : 15:23:46

David-

If you were a local, and did not have the travel expense, I would hire you. If you ever vacation in NW Florida, or want to barter for some surfing lessons and rentals, let me know. I have a fin keel C 25 that I need hauled out and moved 12 miles, and back in after a few days work. If you do not mind very, very modest accommodations, I could also barter a stay in our efficiency on the Gulf Breeze peninsula.

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Response Posted - 09/01/2010 : 15:25:41

PS- Is there a practical method other than using a crane for removing a C 25 from a trailer on land?

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 10/23/2010 : 06:39:16

You might call a big truck wrecker/tow truck company. Some are equipped with a crane for pulling a big truck out of a deep shoulder. It might have enough power to lift a C-25 enough. What you would do is lower the trailer tongue enough to place jack stands or other support under the stern, then use the tow truck to help lift the bow and hold it while the trailer is pulled out from under the boat. Then place blocks under the keel and jack stands at the bow and middle and lower the boat down onto the blocks/stands. Never tried it, just thinking out loud!

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Response Posted - 10/23/2010 : 15:39:55

Thanks for your time and thoughts on this David

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dmpilc
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Response Posted - 10/23/2010 : 17:37:40

No problem. Just, if you try this, be extremely careful. Maybe use 4 jack stands at the stern to start, then move the back two to the middle after the bow is secured. Good luck!

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