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redeye
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Initially Posted - 07/20/2015 : 12:00:31

Lake Lanier

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Tom Potter
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Response Posted - 07/20/2015 : 17:18:54

Oh... that's a flash back for me. Did a lot of sailing and fishing on Lainer. Very nice picture.

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Response Posted - 07/21/2015 : 06:10:25

Gorgeous! isn't it amazing the quality pictures cell phones can produce?

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redeye
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Response Posted - 07/21/2015 : 12:43:00

And the computers in them that can put together a panoramic shot like this.

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Response Posted - 07/29/2015 : 19:14:46

Me thinks my Canon G9 is slowly becoming obsolete

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redeye
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Response Posted - 07/30/2015 : 05:23:54

<< Me thinks my Canon G9 is slowly becoming obsolete >>

Ha!!!

Me thinks my Voigtlander might be dated, but still very operable.

I'm about to get a Cannon G16 and I'm sure it will have an indicator on it that tells me when it is out of date

. Film is still the best way to archive images...

Any camera that makes and keeps memories is never out of date.

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Edited by - redeye on 07/30/2015 05:25:15

Tomas Kruska
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Response Posted - 07/30/2015 : 06:20:13

Not really taken by an phone, but still a nice sunset too :-)

Croatia - Adriatic sea, our first sea adventure a 2 weeks ago.

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Edited by - Tomas Kruska on 07/30/2015 06:20:52

redeye
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Response Posted - 07/30/2015 : 10:53:59

<< Croatia - Adriatic sea >>

Sweet!

Like Zadar, or Novalja, Dubrovnik?

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Edited by - redeye on 07/30/2015 11:02:35

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Response Posted - 07/30/2015 : 12:55:30

Redeye, cool... how do you know?

It's near Sibenik

redeye
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Response Posted - 07/31/2015 : 04:38:18

<< It's near Sibenik >>

It is one of the best things about this forum, to go to google maps and look at the charts and imagine other places to sail.. Kinda like one of my favorite parts of the Tour de France video coverage is seeing all the aerial shots of France and Belguim.

Anyhoo.... I get to learn a little about Croatia. Thomas you will put it on the map in my mind so to speak. Looks like sweet sailing grounds around all those islands. I'd always heard the med had such deep water it was hard to anchor.

Thanks for the sail tracker.. that is cool. It so fun to go to Google maps and look at the pictures from different areas around the world.

Wow.. That Krka National Park is incredible...

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Edited by - redeye on 07/31/2015 04:50:41

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Response Posted - 07/31/2015 : 05:31:24

quote:
Originally posted by redeye

...Film is still the best way to archive images...

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redeye
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Response Posted - 07/31/2015 : 06:59:12

<< Film is still the best way to archive images >>

OK.. the joke is clients ( no Joke ) would come into a lab with a 4x5 chrome ( transparency ) and ask for the best way to convert the image to a digital file in order to use it and keep it...

We would scan the file and give them a "Kodak" format CD... Now nothing will read a "KodaK" cd...

NOW .. clients will approach you with who knows what ( cd, memory stick, floppy disc, hard disc, online in the cloud ) image and they ask:

What's the best way to archive and preserve this image?

We laugh and say burn it to film...

( certainly not in a digital proprietary format )

Anyhoo.. the real answer currently is pretty much burn a jpg or tiff to cd-rom.. the national archives are using cd-rom, last I heard.

or burn it to film....

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Edited by - redeye on 07/31/2015 07:37:41

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Response Posted - 07/31/2015 : 08:46:41

Yup--it'll be a while before nothing will be able to read jpgs from a CD, and when that day approaches, digital images can be converted very precisely to a new format/medium.

What I love most with digital is how I can shoot with available light (almost none of it) and then dial up the brightness and adjust for the color bias and contrast to get a near-perfect picture with natural-looking lighting--as much as I want--and with things appearing you couldn't even see. You just can't match that with film--or at least not without a very sophisticated lab. I also like that I can shoot a gazillion shots, pick a few on-screen, and trash the rest! (Anybody know a museum that might want my Konica SLR? I might even have some film...

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Dave Bristle
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shnool
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Response Posted - 07/31/2015 : 08:56:08

I still have a Kodak Photo CD from 1995... disc is still readable, and my Corel Photo Paint 15 will still read the file format. The actual picture size (resolution) is about 2k if I recall. I have it as pictures of the winter of 1995 when I lived in an A-framed house. Including this picture which is obviously a low res copy... For the record the jewel case the gold CD sat in, is completely trashed. It cost me approx $35 to print my pictures (35mm film) onto PhotoCD back then.

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Edited by - shnool on 07/31/2015 08:58:06

redeye
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Response Posted - 07/31/2015 : 10:09:32

<< Now nothing will read a "KodaK" cd... >>

Yepper .. I was generalizing. Just a little difficult to find the right software.

kinda like the video codec battles we went through, and are now still going through. Some are proprietary and depends which company is in bed with who.

Many of the digital cameras shoot raw files now that are somewhat proprietary.. you may not be able to edit them without buying a subscription ( monthly fee ) to adobe or Cannon, or for video spending a grand for software like Avid, that needs upgrading every year...

As system software changes, it is the responsibility of the
individual to migrate the electronic records to new platforms, operating systems, and software versions.

Not to mention ( but here I go ) getting your content back out of the cloud.. Like the woman that pretty much had to change her legal name to get her content back from Facebook.

Chromes look better all the time, especially Ilfochrome (also commonly known as Cibachrome )

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Edited by - redeye on 07/31/2015 10:47:26

redeye
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Response Posted - 07/31/2015 : 10:24:38

<< ...Film is still the best way to archive images... >>

BTW stinkpotter... I'll bet my cibachromes will be around long after the CD-ROMS become unreadable. I've already seen this happen with music cds that I had from college, only 35 years ago that are developing read errors, in spite of not even being used.

I would guess that burning to Solid State hard drives is probably going to be the most stable medium, don't you think?

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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redeye
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Response Posted - 07/31/2015 : 10:31:33

<< I still have a Kodak Photo CD from 1995 >>

Yep.. my files converted to kodak cdrom look like hell.. their scanning device at the time was not that good. If I need one of those images I use the cd to help me find the file I need and then I find and re-scan the slide.

That A-frame looks like fun!

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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Response Posted - 07/31/2015 : 14:11:26

One source I found says the following are realistic shelf-lives for various digital media (recorded):

Mag tape (including cassettes): 10-20 years
Floppy disks: 10-20
CDs and DVDs: 5-10
Hard disk: 3-5
Flash memory: 5-10
M-Disc: 1000+ years (--a metal disk readable in a DVD drive, but that requires a special recorder.)

Dave Bristle
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shnool
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Response Posted - 07/31/2015 : 16:15:32

There was much speculation in 1995 about how long a CD's data would last (even with the proper reader)... I am here to say that Kodak made discs that are still readable.

For the record, you ignored the possibility of the computers from 1995 being able to read it. My brother has the computer I bought his family in 1996, and it still runs... thanks to dedication of scandisk and defrag, and also that he never upgraded the OS! Yep running windows 98 with very little RAM and he still runs Corel Draw 3 that I purchased NEW the prior year for his machine. Yes it still goes on the internet and YES he has avoided getting malware on it!

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redeye
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Response Posted - 08/14/2015 : 08:39:11

Thomas.. of all things, our running group is going to Zadar..

http://viaglobe.net/TanitHash2015/

Nice aerial shots of the islands :)

Ray in Atlanta, Ga.
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