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awetmore
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Initially Posted - 01/28/2013 : 08:50:52

The boom vang hound mounted at the base of the mast is cracking on my old C-25. We'd like to replace it quickly (before next Sunday's race if possible).

Looking at Catalina Direct it looks like they moved away from using hounds:
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/122/boom-vang-hound.cfm

To using bails:
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/1401/all-stainless-boom-vangbrc-25-2-bails.cfm

Are the bails long enough that they mount to the mast step hinge bolt, or do we need to drill another pair of holes in the mast? Does anyone have the mast width handy? If so I'll get a bail locally (Fisheries Supply stocks them in many sizes).

Alex W
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previously owned 1984 Catalina 25 "Lutra"

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iwillnotsubmit
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Response Posted - 01/28/2013 : 14:25:35

Just measured the mast width at 3 1/4". The mast step width was 3 3/8" on the inside. Hope this helps.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 01/28/2013 : 15:13:04

Thanks, that is helpful.

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Bill Holcomb
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Response Posted - 01/29/2013 : 08:06:39

Alex,
I've used a bale for many years on Snickerdoodle. The bale is a much superior method.
Bill Holcomb - C25 Snickerdoodle #4839

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 01/29/2013 : 08:24:52

Bill: Is your bail attached to the mast hinge bolt or it's own bolt?

I can see why the bail is superior, the hound has some stress risers right at a point of high load. I'm surprised that it took 29 years for the hound to break on this 1984 c-25.

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 01/29/2013 : 17:46:47

My setup...

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 01/29/2013 : 18:36:24

I just did about the same setup:

Schaefer Marine part 90-08, about $40, 3.75" wide by 4" deep. This is on a C-25 Tall Rig (so the mast is a bit bigger than a standard one). You need a 5" 3/8-16 bolt (and a hacksaw to trim that extra bolt length) to avoid having any threads in the mast.

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putzmeister
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Response Posted - 01/29/2013 : 20:45:43

I've never heard of a vang hound breaking/cracking. If mine should ever fail - I will be using a bail.

More great info from a great site!

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 01/30/2013 : 09:05:30

I think it is just a matter of time if you use the vang agressively. The sharp bends in the hound act as stress risers and every tack or jibe puts a hard cyclical stress on those bends. Stainless work hardens and then cracks from that sort of use. The one under the boom should last a lot longer because it sees tension in line with the hound instead of off to the side.

The bail has no sharp stress risers and has a better shape for handling the side loads.

Hopefully someone finds the part#/hardware list useful when they encounter this on their boat.

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Response Posted - 01/30/2013 : 11:17:31

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by awetmore
 
Hopefully someone finds the part#/hardware list useful when they encounter this on their boat.
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Very kind of you to share Alex. I nominate this for the tech tips section.

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awetmore
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Response Posted - 01/30/2013 : 11:59:47

How do I submit it for that? Next time I'm on the boat I'll take a photo of the crack too.

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Response Posted - 01/30/2013 : 18:54:11

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by awetmore
 How do I submit it for that?
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See instuctions on bottom of tech tips page

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sweetcraft
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Response Posted - 01/31/2013 : 03:54:00

The stock hound did pull loose so I used an SS eye bolt, 3/8", which was bedded into the slot with a washer/nut inside of the mast.

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zsonic09
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Response Posted - 02/14/2013 : 09:28:24

Don,

What kind of connector is that you are using for the mast lights?

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 02/14/2013 : 13:06:05

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by zsonic09
 Don,

What kind of connector is that you are using for the mast lights?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

Actually it is a regular four pin connector with a rubber dishwasher/garbage disposal adapter being used as a boot to protect the connector from the elements. The mast wiring itself is threaded through a length of fuel line hose to provide strain relief and to act as a grommet going into the mast hole with another larger diameter hose at the connector. The dishwasher/garbage disposal boot is of a size so it slips rather tightly over the fuel line hose.

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GaryB
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Response Posted - 02/14/2013 : 19:15:35

I'm glad someone asked about this wiring setup. It's very nice. Do you remember what size fuel line you used?

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 02/14/2013 : 20:17:23

Gary,

No, I don't remember the fuel line size. I just perused the spools at one of the local auto parts stores until I found a size that would work.

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zsonic09
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Response Posted - 02/19/2013 : 12:33:33

I like that a lot! I rewired my mast using the mast wire kit from CD. I could not fit the grommet that came with the kit into the mast.
I think I will give this a try. Thanks!

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