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I answered an ad for a 1975 Catalina 25. Went to see the boat, and love it. It is in great shape and the price is right. In looking at pictures on the net below deck of similar boats, the layout does not seem the same. We got the hull ID, which begins with "CAB," and that does not seem right, either, since it ought to be a "CTY" for Catalina. The sails have the letter "C" with a number 25 inside the C, like a Cal-25. The title says it is a Catalina.
In looking at pictures on the net, it matches up with pictures of C-25, but I don't know enough about manufacturers to know if a C-25 is a Catalina, or if it is a different manufacturer. The "CAB" manufacturer ID has thrown us.
A lot of things don't add up. The "CAB" designation refers to a manufacturer of jon boats, not sailboats. I don't believe the Catalina 25 was in production in 1975. The logo on the sail doesn't resemble a Catalina logo. I'd get the complete Hull ID number and ask the state registrar to do a search of the chain of title. They'll probably do it for a small fee. It might be a good deal, or it might be a problem that you should avoid.
What's more, the hull ID indicates it was manufactured in 1973 (last 4 digits 1073). The guy admitted that he might be wrong about the year and would need to check the title, so it could be a 1974 model made in late 73, maybe?
When I did a search on the "CAB" id, as you say, it comes up as a performance bass boat manufacturer, but there was a caveat that it could indicate a boat made by O'Day or Cal.
We love the boat but have some obvious concerns, so I will take your advice and do a title search before proceeding. I don't want to get mixed up in anything shady...
DH and I have pretty much decided to keep away from this one, though it pains us to pass up a great deal on a very nice boat that I know we would enjoy. There are just too many head-scratchers going on with this boat, including its somewhat hidden location in a marina without any other sailboats, miles up a river in an industrial area. Hmmmmmm
Stop, go with your instincts. If it smells fishy, run, dont walk away and dont look back. Its only a good deal if its the real thing and this does not sound like the real thing. Dont beat your self(which you would if you bought it) over this, it is not worth it. One of the first Catalina's I looked at and was gonna buy (but didnt) turned out a bad deal due to hidden damage I found out about after I paid for a bottom cleaning. On something like this, use your head not your emotions. Steve A
This comes on the heels of (almost) purchasing a MacGregor that looked great, but we wanted to haul it first to examine the bottom. Lo and behold, NO KEEL in place, and the bottom was completely eaten up with cancer all over.
It is daunting, or maybe not so unexpected for boats in our price range, but at least we have had the sense to check these things out before plunking down our precious cash. We have definitely been following our instincts and we continue to be boatless, but I am sure patience will pay off. This is not the kind of thing you rush!
I really appreciate the advice given here for a boat that is probably not even a Catalina! Thanks, all.
Over the years, many of us have recommended to prospective buyers on this forum to have a boat surveyed before closing the deal. For a C-25 in most locations, it works out to around $350, which many (me included) feel was the best $350 they spent on the boat--even the one they didn't buy (because of the survey). The benefits include: <ul><li>Knowing (for the most part) that there are no serious issues that would make you wish you hadn't bought the boat. </li><li>Having some less serious items that can be used to negotiate the price down from the initial deal.</li><li>Having a prioritized list of things that should be attended to--immediately or later.</li><li>Some insurers require a survey for boats over 10 year old, so doing it <i>before</i> buying gives you the other benefits above.</li></ul>Example: On a C-25, one of the potential, more serious issues is rotten plywood coring between the deck, cabintop, or cockpit sole and the liner. The surveyor's moisture meter picks it up, and he can tell you the degree and size of the affected area. He can probably also point to a piece of hardware, that if rebedded, will resolve the problem, and whether the core will be satisfactory upon drying out. Similarly, with a ball-peen hammer, his trained ear can detect delamination in the hull, and areas that may have been repaired after a hard grounding. These are all things you want to know about before laying down even just a few thousand... No matter how cheap, you don't want a boat you'll never be able to get rid of except with a chainsaw!
Bruce... Bill didn't survey her--he and Amy stood on the deck, looked around, and wrote me a check on the spot. The only contingency was that I sail her down to Westbrook, and they'd take her the rest of the way.
BTW, I doubt he survey would support your desire for a higher replacement value.
Holy crap! I hope you're not on the boat right now--there's a monsoon headed your way!
Update: We scrapped the idea of the Cal-25 and today we looked at a very well-maintained, clean and ready to sail 78 Catalina 25 for the same (cheap) price of the Cal-25, but in much nicer shape - we won't need to do anything to it until the end of the season bottom painting that it is due for.
It has a whole lot more room for us and the kids, and the flexibility of a swing keel and steppable mast. I am very excited about this boat, but we'll short haul it just to inspect the hull first.
I can see why these boats are so popular. Plus, it looks like finding parts and sails for it is going to be much easier than it would have been for the Cal.
Welcome to the community (we presume)! If you're short-hauling, give the survey some thought... Don't be surprised or dismayed to find some rust spots on the cast iron keel--that's normal. Do find out when the keel cable and attachments were last replaced--that's a periodic maintence item (the period depending on your use and type of water).
Then a couple of other worthwhile steps:
1. Join the association--it's a wonderful resource, as you've begun to see.
2. Order a C-25 Owner's Handbook from [url="http://www.catalinadirect.com/"]Catalina Direct[/url]--a third-party supplier of parts and upgrades primarily for the C-22, C-25, C-30. They know our boats well. It's essentially their catalog, but also full of tips and ideas. They send updates (including to their prices) every year. Most but not all items are also on their site.
I am in Richmond, VA, but we have been doing our boating in Mojack Bay (off the Chesapeake) and will have this boat in a slip in the Northern Neck of VA, near the Potomac.
This boat has been surveyed recently, but we still have to meet with the owner and see exactly when that was done, and go from there. I appreciate the tips, Dave. DH is pretty experienced and knows what to look for, but it has been 10 years since we've had a boat, and it is very helpful to have this resource. Helping FIL work on his 46' Morgan back then would have gone a lot easier with a helpful online community!
Another Update: Regarding the Cal-25, it turns out that the hull ID is correct - in that year of confusion (1973) manufacturers were new to the Hull ID system and "CAB" was being used by several manufacturers, including Cal. There are apparently no issues with this boat, and the guy had misread the title. It very clearly stated it was a Cal-25 and the year was correct - he thought Cal was short for Catalina, and he misread the date! I just wanted to clear this up. I'm glad we found the Catalina, since it is in much better condition for the same money, but I did not like to cast a suspicious cloud over this Cal-25 that I know someone will enjoy. Sailors are not suspicious, right......???
Thanks, Brooke - we have found a marina in Kinsale (am falling in love with that town) that has extremely inexpensive slips so once we actually get our boat we will be, hopefully, sailing it up there. This is all contingent on the hull inspection, etc., but I am optimistic so far.
I will likely get in touch with you once we are actually in the water and I am sure you will have some helpful advice - I know Mobjack but have not navigated other waterways in Virginia. All of the other sailing I have done has been in South Florida and Bimini.
If we do get this boat, I will certainly be posting about it here!
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