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jatucker
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Initially Posted - 07/09/2002 : 09:32:22

I own a 1984 Catalina 25 and I have been trying to figure out a way to attach stern rail seats without taking up any more room in the cockpit. Has any one out there successfully done this? My stern pulpit only has a top rail. Let me know how you did it. Thanks.

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Response Posted - 07/09/2002 : 17:08:43

I haven't heard of it on a C-25, but I suspect you'd have to weld a lower horizontal rail on each side of the "pushpit." That's what the aftermarket products require.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette "Passage" in SW CT

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Lee
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Response Posted - 07/09/2002 : 22:49:37

I have been very surprised that the stern rail seats are not a common upgrade. We sail in a very relaxed fashion and the additional room and visibility seems like a good idea. The cost of custom railing is probably a factor.

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Response Posted - 07/10/2002 : 01:28:56

After purchasing my C25 (I think it's been 6 years now) one of the first things that I wanted to do was add stern rail seats like the new C250. What a great place to sit!!! Anyway I found an outfit in Austin, TX that advertized after market stern rail seats in one of the national sailing mags. I gave him a call and yes he made them. When I mentioned that I had a C25 his whole attitude changed. He said that he would absolutely not sell to anybody with a C25 and pretty much hung up on me. WOW!!! The only thing that I could make of the whole deal was that he had sold to some C25 owner who then had some problem with them. The only thing that I can think of is the seat restricted access to the motor and maybe there had been an accident. Can you spell LAW SUIT???? Anyway I think that a nonrigid seat, something like a flexable rubber seat on park swings, hung between the stern pulpit stantions might fit the bill. When you need to get to the motor you could just lift it out of the way or maybe unhook it from mounting eyes. I haven't tried this yet, purhaps next year.

Ed Montague on 'Yahoo'
1978 #765 SK, Stnd, Dinette ~_/)~

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Response Posted - 07/10/2002 : 10:21:01

I bet a lot of C25 owners have wondered about installing stern seats like the C250. It would certainly leave more maneuvering room in the cockpit. Maybe this would be something Catalina Direct would be interested in providing if enough people showed interest.

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jatucker
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Response Posted - 07/10/2002 : 11:44:30

Thanks for all the replies. It sounds like this would be a great add on feature that would have some marketability. I'm surprised that Catalina Direct hasn't come up with something yet. Perhaps the liability issue is a concern to them as well. I like the swing seat idea and may give that a try. By the way, I can spell "law suit" since my last name is followed with "Esq."! See ya in court!

John Tucker
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Atwood Lake, Ohio

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jellyfish
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Response Posted - 07/10/2002 : 11:48:49

I have thought about this for a long time. I have found at West Marine seats that were designed to be mounted on the front of bass boats that are more like a little saddles than a seat. Although you would be more leaning into them than sitting in them I think it would be a great improvement over just sitting on the rail which I often do. I believe that they could be mounted directly to the rail with little trouble without getting in the way of the swim ladder or the motor. Just one of the many projects on the list!

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 07/10/2002 : 13:05:36

Does anyone have a photo of one of these on a Catalina 250, or any boat for that matter? I've never seen one, so I'm having a hard time visualizing what y'all are talking about. 'Sounds like a good idea though ...

Thanks!

Buzz Maring, C-25 SK/SR #68, "Freya"

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/10/2002 : 16:51:13

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Does anyone have a photo of one of these on a Catalina 250, or any boat for that matter?
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Buzz: Pick up any issue of Sail, Cruising World, or whatever, and look at any Catalina ad (for 250s or larger boats). You'll probably see a sweet young thing sitting in one of the stern rail seats.

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette "Passage" in SW CT

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 07/10/2002 : 19:40:17

"Does anyone have a photo of one of these on a Catalina 250, or any boat for that matter? I've never seen one, so I'm having a hard time visualizing what y'all are talking about. 'Sounds like a good idea though ..." - Buzz

Here's a good pic...
<img src="http://www.catalinayachts.com/gallery/island_C270/C2708.jpg" border=0>

Don Lucier, North Star
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RichardG
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Response Posted - 07/10/2002 : 20:40:44

On a C-25, I'd be concerned about the stantion bases which were probably not originally designed to withstand the additional stress exerted by this type of seat (stationary or hung).

I think the stantions of my C-25 are backed only by washers. Do the C250's (with stern rail seats) have a more substantial backing which can handle this stress? If so, theoretically you could beef up the backing on the C-25 to handle the stress.

RichardG 81 C25 SR/FK "Sanity"

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/10/2002 : 22:53:06

Uhhh... Don--that's not exactly what I had in mind when I said "sweet young thing." I guess Catalina is more politically correct than I thought. <img src=icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette "Passage" in SW CT

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dlucier
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Response Posted - 07/11/2002 : 00:25:09

"...that's not exactly what I had in mind when I said "sweet young thing."..." - Dave Bristle

When compared to most of us, she IS young! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Don Lucier, North Star
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OJ
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Response Posted - 07/11/2002 : 08:52:48

Surely someone here has a blond sailing joke . . .

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Buzz Maring
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Response Posted - 07/11/2002 : 09:10:08

'Good photo ... now I get it ... thanks Don!

Buzz Maring, C-25 SK/SR #68, "Freya"

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OJ
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Response Posted - 07/11/2002 : 10:31:12

If you examine the picture Don posted, you'd have to stretch to reach the wheel while sitting in a stern rail seat. Makes one ponder that these were designed to allow crew to peer-around a large foresail.
There's a C-25 at our marina that has stern rail seats. Even on that boat, you can't easily reach the tiller. I'll try to take a picture this weekend.

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Sidurian
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Response Posted - 07/11/2002 : 11:32:11

I don't know about you guys, but even though as a cruising sailor I would love to have stern seats, I would not want to sail with my bow sticking up out of the water! (lol) I keep getting this image of the sweet young things you are talking about being 300 lbs each. (uggghhhh!)

There's always something!

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/11/2002 : 13:02:02

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
When compared to most of us, she IS young! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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But Don, SHE isn't sitting in the stern rail seat. That other thing is...

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette "Passage" in SW CT

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Dave Bristle
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Response Posted - 07/11/2002 : 13:03:26

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
There's a C-25 at our marina that has stern rail seats.
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PICTURES!!! PICTURES!!!

Please and thanks!

Dave Bristle - 1985 C-25 #5032 SR-FK-Dinette "Passage" in SW CT

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/11/2002 : 13:43:52

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Surely someone here has a blond sailing joke . . .
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Steve, I do, but Kathleen is listening in on this post and I don't know if she's a blonde. Wouldn't want to offend...<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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If you examine the picture Don posted, you'd have to stretch to reach the wheel while sitting in a stern rail seat. Makes one ponder that these were designed to allow crew to peer-around a large foresail.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Most people I know with one of these seats either do it just like this guy is and leave the driving to the servants (don't tell the commodore I said that), or, more often than not, they steer with their foot. At least that is what I did when I rented a c-28. If the wind kicked up much more than so that I couldn't control the boat, then it was probably time to get out of that seat anyway.

With the exception of maybe 3 boats, we (c-25 owners) would all have tiller extenders, or the ability to install one, so sitting there wouldn't be a problem.

Duane Wolff
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Douglas
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Response Posted - 07/11/2002 : 17:28:38

I know some of us out there are thinking how inherently dangerous it must be to sit up on the rail as previously addmited to. I would put it right up there with releving your self over the side. Oddly enough statistics show this to be one of the highest causes of drowning. I might understand sitting in an aft rail seat in very light wind or at rest but not when realy sailing. It also seems it would be in the way for motor access. To top it off I have a split back stay to contend with.

Doug&Ruth
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Tacoma Wa.

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OJ
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Response Posted - 07/11/2002 : 19:56:24

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Steve, I do, but Kathleen is listening in on this post and I don't know if she's a blonde. Wouldn't want to offend...<img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Duane, I know, I know, but if you examine the guy in the rail seat, you can tell that he's looking out of the corner of his eye (he's disguising his technique with the sunglasses,) just waiting for a blond moment to happen! Look at the photo and tell me if you don't agree.

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Champipple
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Response Posted - 07/12/2002 : 08:40:55

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(he's disguising his technique with the sunglasses,)
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Aren't polarized mirrored sunglasses one of the best inventions. Don't go to the beach without them!!!

Duane Wolff
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C-25, #401 std,sk
Chief Measurer C-25/250 National Assn.
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Phredde
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Response Posted - 07/15/2002 : 19:27:00

Count me in - these would be great!! I once had the pleasure of a ride on a new C36 out of Toronto, and those stern seats were the best difference between his boat and my C25.

Well there was also the fancy electronics, the nice interior, the wheel steering...

Oh well....

Phredde
Catalina 25
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