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JJM
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Initially Posted - 08/16/2005 : 16:17:14

I am preparing to install a new anchor roller on the bow of my 2004 250. I have a CF-500 Snapfurl furling system and the drum of the furler is in the way of the drill, preventing me from drilling a perpendicular hole for the bolt(s).

Has anyone encountered this problem before? Can you recommend a solution?

Maybe I need to take down the Furler? I don't know how to do that, so if that is my only option, could someone guide me through that process?

Thanks for your assist here!

John
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britinusa
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Response Posted - 08/16/2005 : 18:28:24

Assuming you have still got an unused fore-halyard running up the mast and back down doing nothing then I would..

Connect the forehalyard to a suitable strong point up near the bow.
Loosen the backstay and the shrouds a few turns and tighten up the forehalyard so it acts as a temporary forestay.
Having taken the strain off the furler/forestay, release the lower end of the furler/forestay and move it out of the way.
Do your stuff for the anchor roller, reconnect the furler, slacken off the temp forestay (the forehalyard) and tighten up on the shrouds and backstay.

Having raised and lowered our C250WB mast 6 times in just 2 months, this would not seem to be a big deal, but you shouldn't even need to lower the mast.

Good luck with your project.

Don't forget OSHA .. wear a hard hat, protective gloves, lifejacket if within the smell of water, post a float plan, protective boots, safety goggles, resprirator, have at least two others watching your progress, ambulance nearby with fully trained firefighters within 5 mins call. All bungs in place, thru hulls closed off, shore power disconnted, fuel lockers vented. Start engine key locked out. Insurance paid up to date, etc... did I miss anything?

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Response Posted - 08/16/2005 : 19:30:31

I've used the jib halyard a few times to support the mast while working on the furler. I pull all the slack out of the halyard, (without pulling it through the deck clutch). Make it fast on the bow cleat and then pull the slack out and tie it to a mast cleat. Don't rely on just the deck clutch to hold the halyard. The mast will move unless the halyard is tied to it somewhere. I hope that made sense.

More OSHA
Don't forget your fall protection! Working on the bow is way up there!

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JJM
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Response Posted - 08/16/2005 : 19:48:34

From the responses here, it appears that if I don't do well with the project, if I follow all the advice - for sure I will be protected and easily pass an OSHA audit!!!!

Thanks guys - sounds simple enough (famous last words!!!).

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Bubba
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Response Posted - 08/16/2005 : 20:32:00

I would really appreciate a picture when you're done. I've been trying to figure out how to put an anchor roller on my '97 C250.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 08/16/2005 : 23:39:39

There is just one problem with all this advice since John has a Snapfurl roller which uses the jib haylard to hold the jib up, unlike a CDI, on the furller. Which means he will have to remove the sail to use it to hold the mast. Now if he has a drifter haylard then that would serve the same purpose and is what I use when removing the furller.
John, what size anchor roller are you using? I want to add one also, but having trouble deciding which one.

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Arlyn Stewart
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Response Posted - 08/17/2005 : 06:25:47

A short time back... someone quiered about the use of an anchor roller from Catalina Direct similar to those used on the C22 that uses the bolts on the stem fitting for mounting.

I'm thinking that such a custom bracket even if more expensive would be a real problem solver for the 250.

Any one remember this or the conclusion whether the CD bow roller will fit the stem of the C250?

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Response Posted - 08/17/2005 : 11:13:30

Depending on the room you need for the drill, you may only have to remove the two screws below the furling drum and bracket that hold the furler in place (you will need to take off the jib sail from the furler first). The furler will then slid up the forestay 4"-6". There also is a cover held on by the four allen head bolts - I can't remember if the furler will slid up the forestay with out taking out the four allen head bolts and cover? I don't think it will?

If this gives you enough room, you may not have to take off the forestay.

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Bubba
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Response Posted - 08/17/2005 : 20:22:45

Arlyn, Capt. Kurt posted a picture of a C-22 anchor roller and was thinking it might work on a C-250,as you said, under the stem fitting. The picture shows an offset roller.
http://www.catalina25-250.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9551
Capt. Kurt, you out there? Did you try this?

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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 : 14:25:16

I have a CDI furler, but I figured I post my roller anyway.
Was pretty easy to install, just fits without any room to spare, and saves the back big time! Good luck!

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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 : 17:04:54

<font color="blue">I have a CDI furler, ... Suzie</font id="blue">

Welcome back, Suzie ... we've missed you!

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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 : 19:35:39

Welcome home Suzie.

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JJM
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 : 20:27:19

Well, just as I was about to say that I purchased what appears to be the same anchor roller that SAILGAL had posted a while back - there she is!! Welcome back!

Suzie,

I was going to install mine on the port side - any reason that I shouldn't do that? And did you have any difficulty with bolting inside the anchor locker?

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Bubba
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 : 20:45:51

Hi Suzie,
I never thought one would fit there, but you did it!
Is that roller just screwed into the fiberglass? I imagine it's pretty thick right there...

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 08/18/2005 : 23:51:03

Welcome home Suzie. Hope the reason you've been gone so long has been a pleasant one.
What is the part # for the roller you installed? I need something for all the chain so I don't have to lift it or mess up the rubrail draging it up.

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JJM
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Response Posted - 08/19/2005 : 10:24:11

I am pretty sure that the roller I bought that looks just like Suzie's here is in the West Marine catalog on page 712 - Fairlead Anchor Roller AR-3, called a medium bow roller . When I looked up the part # (153593) for it online, the picture they display is different than the one in the catalog and different from the item I purchased (which looks like the one in the catalog and Suzie's).

Suzie - any other tips you can provide for installation?

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 08/19/2005 : 13:14:08

John, thank you very much, that gives me a place to start. I don't know if that one will work for my claw style anchor, but it gives me the length and width I require to be able to mount it next to the roller.

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JJM
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Response Posted - 08/19/2005 : 13:40:11

Jerry,

Your hull # is very close to mine. Do you have the Snapfurl system as well?

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Response Posted - 08/19/2005 : 14:57:30

Hi Bubba,
I have not got around to the bow roller project yet...
Kurt

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Bubba
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Response Posted - 08/19/2005 : 17:48:25

Capt. Kurt,
Too busy sailing, I hope.

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frog0911
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Response Posted - 08/19/2005 : 23:14:19

John, yes I have the snapfurl and IMHO it is a piece of junk or I have been hanking sails so long I can't seem to learn a new trick. The furling line will not move itself up and down in the drum and just gathers at the top until it jumps out of the drum. I have taken it off two or three times to see if I could find the cause, but no luck. Oh well, the General likes it so that's all the really matters.

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Response Posted - 08/20/2005 : 01:16:47

Jerry,
My jib furling line jumps out of the cage also from time to time,so I must have a Snapfurl system. I'm working on a solution for this because, I'm the one who has to go up front and fix it .

Suzie,
Is your roller attached to the boat with nuts and bolts or screws?

paulj C250 WK #719

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sailgal
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Response Posted - 08/20/2005 : 20:59:19

Thanks for the warm greetings back! Missed you fellas, moved worked on major rehab/reconstruction of new place, and now finally back to the fun stuff! Hope you are all healthy happy and sailing!!

As for the roller, it's a Windline AR-3. I put it on the starboard side because my anchor locker opens from on that side and I store my Fortress anchor on the bow rail starboard side as well.
As I mentioned this roller fit perfect, no room to spare, I drilled straight down (was thick but still can use common drill and bit) and because my anchor locker has a access port in the locker (see photo) I was able to work while on the deck. I used stainless bolts and put plenty of 4200 on the underside of roller and around the holes ( I was told not to use 5200 in case I ever needed to remove roller). Love the roller, but keep in mind it is not designed for storage, just a wonderful aid in anchor retrieval. Hope I helped.
Glad to be back!

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Response Posted - 08/26/2005 : 13:47:07

Suzie,

What size bolts did you end up using? I wasn't sure on diameter and length? Thanks.

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Response Posted - 09/19/2005 : 13:46:57

Finally completed the bow roller project - used the Windline AR-3. Sure works great - I am only using to deploy and retrieve. I am not going to leave line through rollar when anchored. I will run the anchor line through the chock to the cleat.

Note: I wasn't able to mount the roller as far back as in Suzie's photo. I had to leave it in front of the chock (to keep it flat on the deck). This put the forward bolt in the "lip" on the outside of the hull where it turns over at the edge. The lock nut (3/8) just fits up between the lip and the hull and wedged in when bolt was tightened. Back two rear bolts are accessible through the access panel.

Note: the bruce anchor is also a huge plus - sets and retrievs like a dream. Easy to lay it over the roller and drop, then pulls up and over the roller to pick up and place back into the anchor locker. It also fits nice in the anchor locker. I am going to remove the captive pin in the front of the roller. It gets in my way and I didn't use it for anchor handling.

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Response Posted - 09/19/2005 : 13:51:38

One more note on installation. I used a right angle drill and was able to drill holes for anchor roller without moving the furling drum out of the way.

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